HELP... Dressage stallion needs to be chosen for my mare

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Hello all,

Please help. My Cleveland Bay x TB dun mare foaled this weekend (2nd foal) and I need to choose a dressage stallion pronto to hopefully get her in foal with over her next 2 cycles this year!!

The mare is best a jumping, although achieves around 70% at Novice level, nice correct paces, but is nothing flashy.

I have only bred event horses up until now... however, this pregnancy is being financed by my partner and he would like a dressage horse to produce.
I have never been particularly knowledgeable about pure dressage.
Stud fee limit is £1000, but would prefer to be below this!

This mare can be quite busy and fizzy, so something to compliment (tone down) this would be good, although I guess you need some exuberance and energy for it to be any good!

The mare is 16.1hh, and we would like to breed something to exceed her height ideally.

Any help would be fabulous!! Thanks, Sarah & James!
 
Forgot to say.... temperament is of utmost importance!!! I need the baby to be well behaved and trainable as my others have been!! Thanks
 
What size are you after breeding? And what sort of bone etc is the mare, conformational faults etc?

Its hard to say without seeing a picture of the mare.

I have a stunning 2yr old i bred from my medium level dressage mare who is by Johnson (Jazz x Flemmingh) - he has the most beautiful light movement and points his toes, he really is lovely. My mare is 16'1 and he wil make minimum 17'1 as hes around 16hh at the moment :)

My mare is now back in foal to SAMGirls stallion called Vince who is Gribaldi x Hofnar. He is slightly bigger boned than Johnson as I wanted a chunkier dressage horse this time round!

SAMGirl also has a stunning stallion called Sir Frederic
 
Tempi said:
What size are you after breeding? And what sort of bone etc is the mare, conformational faults etc?

Its hard to say without seeing a picture of the mare.

I have a stunning 2yr old i bred from my medium level dressage mare who is by Johnson (Jazz x Flemmingh) - he has the most beautiful light movement and points his toes, he really is lovely. My mare is 16'1 and he wil make minimum 17'1 as hes around 16hh at the moment :)

My mare is now back in foal to SAMGirls stallion called Vince who is Gribaldi x Hofnar. He is slightly bigger boned than Johnson as I wanted a chunkier dressage horse this time round!

SAMGirl also has a stunning stallion called Sir Frederic
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Hi there, the mare is 16.1hh and would like to breed something 16.2hh+ at least.

She has fantastic conformation (I competed her in Working Hunter up to County level and qualified and competed this mare a HOYS, so great conformation) so nothing to work on there. She is short coupled and has good bone.
I will try and work out how to put a pic of her up.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions, I will look them all up and study them!! x
 
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This is the mare in question!!! (If I've got the images to work and show up!)
 
If temperament and movement are essential I'd suggest you try Rhondeo. He's the sweetest stallion, incredibly trainable, on the pathway for the 2012 Olympics and has enormous gaits. He's well within your £1000 limit too and he lives in the UK so you can go and see him in person if you want to. He lives in Sussex.

Another one who has a great record for producing talented, easy offspring is Sambertino. He himself is a big softie. His stable name of Bertie Bubble suits him to a T! But he's got offspring competing at GP in dressage, in the paralympics, on the Olympic pathway (Tamberonie) and also out eventing. Well worth looking at, he lives near Cambridge.
 
If you want to go for something really proven and producing offspring of incredible quality, Breitling W would be a stunning choice. And he'd be perfect too, temperament-wise!

Otherwise, I'd second Sir Frederic :D

I don't think being based in the UK should be a discriminating factor as you can easily go to Germany and back in one day and it would probably cost you less than travelling across the UK ;)
 
I would second hobgoblins stud and millenium really fabulous temperament unfortunately i didnt use him as i had ordered from germany. The stallion i used on my mare was Bjorsells Briar fantastic temperament and really stamps his mark.
 
I'm biased as I have two by him but for movement and temperament Mooiman (KWPN). He has proven offspring - one of his first foals is now GP level in Netherlands.

http://www.holdenfolddressage.co.uk/mooiman.html

He is only 16.2hh but out of a 16hh mare my filly is looking to exceed her dam in height and the new colt is probably going to top both of his parents.

The pregnant bay is the mare - she competed to Inter I level
Chestnut running loose and stood up in hand is the filly. (ridden chestnut is her 29yo Uncle!)

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=173706&id=673237977&l=84a3816ee6

First two pics are Daddy, rest are this year's colt, few brand new, rest 18 hrs old bar the last two in the field at three days old.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=177329&id=673237977&l=d6dbed1aca
 
She is very similar looking to my buckskin mare who is infoal to Treliver Decanter :)

I would say either use Treliver Decanter if you want a UK based stallion (plus he is also a single dilute ;) ) or Sandreo for a european based stallion, I have a Sandreo 4yo and he is a delight to train and have heard the same from other people about theirs too.
 
Wolkenderry is a cracking stallion with a super temperament. I have scanned my mare in foal to him. He has amazingly elastic hocks and super uphill movement. Jacke that owns him is really really helpful, but not sure if she has any nominations left for him

www.wolkenderry.co.uk

His breeding is exceptional
 
I have just welcomed a chestnut filly by Treliver Decanter and she is an absolute poppet :) One of my girls has also been covered by Wolkenderry, a beautiful horse with a fantastic temperament.
I would also like to highly recommend Rhondeo. Not only are his bloodlines phenomenal (Rotspon x Brentano) but he is without doubt one of the loveliest horses I have ever met. I have also known a few of his youngsters, all of whom have been very easy to deal with in all respects. I am currently waiting with bated breath to see if my mare is in foal to him...
 
I have youngsters (yearlings to 4 year olds) by Irco Lhee and Libro. They are really easy and trainable. Both stallions have sired top quality youngstock who have excelled in all disciplines.
 
I saw Keystone Rhondeo competing at Patchetts yesterday, and thought he did a lovely relaxed test - he is a fantastic horse with super paces.

My own boy, Adonnis (Gribaldi x Mondriaan), is far from proven in terms of offspring - his first babies are only 2 months old! But he is a very trainable chap with a lovely temperament - I compete him myself (and would consider myself an amateur) and we have qualified for regionals at Prelim and Novice this year.

Are you looking for a more 'modern type' stallion, or something with a bit more bone? How tall a horse are you hoping to produce?
 
I really like the look of your boy sarahhelen1977 and must confess am looking at him as a serious contender for one of my mares for next season:D:D

Is it OK to ask that you post pics of his youngsters throughout this year? (or is that breaking the rules:o)
 
Keytone Rhondeo has to be one of the best young stallions in the UK. Not sure he will add much size to your mare though.
Showmaker would add size and has super bone and a fabulous temperament.

Echo Fredo Beutlin suggetion of Brietling, dont get a much better dressage produciton record than him and i can totally vouch for his easy attitude to life, but he might be over your bugget
 
I've seen Millenium, Wolkenderry and Decanter at stallion parades, all showed themselves beautifully in movement and temperament. or I have a jumping stallion with superb dressage movement - Caretino Glory, please feel free to pm me if you would like more details!
 
I know a few good quality dressage stallions that produce really good moving foals.

Amazing Star is a stallion that carries the famous Flemmingh and Ferro blood. He is young and very promissing. His foals all have a very flashy trots and a lovely uphill canter.
His stud fee is €850,-.
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Another stallion is Andretti.
Special D x Sandro Hit x Eklatant
Very nice paces and really flashy, produces really good potential dressage horses.
His stud fee is €900,-
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Zizi-Top is one of the best producing champion foals sire in Holland at the moment!
His stud fee is €900,- and his foals are beautiful!

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