*HELP* Jumping, striding, big fences, Does it matter?

Jazzaria

Jazzaria

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I am doing an investigation; "Does the height of jump affect how much ground the horse covers?"


I have done a practical at home. (Here is a mini overview of what I did)

1. Horses will need to be tacked up etc, ready for jumping
2. 2 jumps should be set up, 1 spread at B and an upright at E
3. 1 horse should be jumped at a time
4. Horse 1 should jump both jumps, first the upright: 30cm, 50cm, 70cm, 90cm.
5. Horse 1 should then jump the spread on the other rein. It should be 30cm wide then 30cm, 50cm, 70cm, 90cm up. It should then be 60cm wide and the horse should jump the heights again. If the horse isn’t tired and is happy, the spread width could be increased to 90cm and these heights can be jumped again.
6. These jumps all need to be filmed from the same angle/height to make analysing the stuff on the computer easier.
7. Repeat steps 4 and 5 exactly the same with Horse 2.
8. The videos then need to be loaded onto the computer and print screens need to be taken of the point of take off, the point of landing and the highest point the horse reaches (forelegswise) over the top of the jump... This will give the amount of ground the horse covers plus the height they have jumped (scope will need to be taken account for not just the height of pole).
9. The print screens can be marked up and measured not to scale on word.
10. The photos can then be compared and conclusions can be drawn from the measurements e.g. horses tend to jump higher when the jump is wider.






I need to ask opinions to back up my conclusion which was:

“In conclusion, the results show that as the fence gets taller, both horses tended to cover more ground, however as the fence got wider it made no difference as to how much ground they were covering. Jazz covered 7.8cm (not to scale) jumping the 90cm upright and covered 7.05cm jumping the 90cm spread which was also 90cm wide! Therefore, I’ve decided that yes the height does affect how much ground the horse covers.”





So therefore I am asking...


Do you think the height makes a difference to how much ground the horse covers?

Do you think horses should generally take off further away as the fence height increases or do you think they should get deeper?

Do you think that when loose jumping (no influence from rider) horses tend to cover more ground when the fence height increases?

Should bigger fences be ridden to in a more upright/forward pace (automatically covering more ground) in comparison to smaller fences/warm up jumps?

Does striding matter more when jumping bigger fences than smaller fences? If so, why?

Do ponies with smaller/shorter striding genuinely find jumping bigger fences more difficult in comparison to bigger more rangey horses? If yes, is this because of size of horse or length of stride?

In you opinion are horses with a bigger stride more capable of jumping bigger tracks in general or does this have no influence whatsover?




Thanks x

(No critisism on the practical I did, it was just something I had to do for the dissertation and I am leaving the results/conclusion as they are as I have already done all the work I just need to include more research into my chosen subject! Thank you!)
 
Jazzaria said:
Do you think the height makes a difference to how much ground the horse covers?

- Yes it does in most circumstances.

Do you think horses should generally take off further away as the fence height increases or do you think they should get deeper?

-I think that there is an optimum distance, and would also add that puissance riders tend to get deeper the higher the wall. I think if you were to extrapolate your data over bigger fences the distance covered (not upwards obviously) would actually be less, as the horse bascules' differently, adopting a more upright position on both landing and take off.

Do you think that when loose jumping (no influence from rider) horses tend to cover more ground when the fence height increases?

-In my experiences yes.

Should bigger fences be ridden to in a more upright/forward pace (automatically covering more ground) in comparison to smaller fences/warm up jumps?

-Within reason yes, but its going to depend on the horse and the circumstance, there are too many variables to consider.

Does striding matter more when jumping bigger fences than smaller fences? If so, why?

- Yes because a horse can trip over a small fence, it cant trip over a big one, as effort is increased so is the risk of injury.

Do ponies with smaller/shorter striding genuinely find jumping bigger fences more difficult in comparison to bigger more rangey horses? If yes, is this because of size of horse or length of stride?

-Not necessarily, but in the majority of cases I would say yes smaller ponies would find it more difficult, however it depends on breeding and natural levels of athleticism.

In you opinion are horses with a bigger stride more capable of jumping bigger tracks in general or does this have no influence whatsover?

-In general yes. Are there lots of exceptions to this rule though? Yes.
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hope that helps?
 
Do you think the height makes a difference to how much ground the horse covers?

surely its about collection and power not how much ground they cover?

Do you think horses should generally take off further away as the fence height increases or do you think they should get deeper?

There is no yes or no answer to this it depends on just how high you go as the horse covers so much area inc upwards in one stride too many variables

Do you think that when loose jumping (no influence from rider) horses tend to cover more ground when the fence height increases?

some do depends as some collect coming into the fence if its really big

Should bigger fences be ridden to in a more upright/forward pace (automatically covering more ground) in comparison to smaller fences/warm up jumps?

Should be ridden in a more collected canter NOT forward or ground covering

Does striding matter more when jumping bigger fences than smaller fences? If so, why?

Yes because horse has to jump bigger there is less room for taking off incorrectly

Do ponies with smaller/shorter striding genuinely find jumping bigger fences more difficult in comparison to bigger more rangey horses? If yes, is this because of size of horse or length of stride?

can't really say it depends on pony, have seen some jump way bigger than some horses because they collect not go too long

In you opinion are horses with a bigger stride more capable of jumping bigger tracks in general or does this have no influence whatsover?




Thanks x

(No critisism on the practical I did, it was just something I had to do for the dissertation and I am leaving the results/conclusion as they are as I have already done all the work I just need to include more research into my chosen subject! Thank you!)[/QUOTE]
 
Do you think the height makes a difference to how much ground the horse covers?
A little, but not as big an effect as the approach speed, length of stride, and take-off spot.

Do you think horses should generally take off further away as the fence height increases or do you think they should get deeper?
Depends on front profile of fence, type of fence, discipline (sj or xc or 'chasing). In extreme cases such as Puissance, a closer take-off point is aimed for, very few horses can 'hurdle' a Puissance fence, although I have seen it done successfully!

Do you think that when loose jumping (no influence from rider) horses tend to cover more ground when the fence height increases?
Depends on horse's level of training, natural canter, etc.

Should bigger fences be ridden to in a more upright/forward pace (automatically covering more ground) in comparison to smaller fences/warm up jumps?
Depends on how big the fence is, the profile of the fence, and the discipline.

Does striding matter more when jumping bigger fences than smaller fences? If so, why?
Yes. Any horse can jump a small fence from just about anywhere, but when the fences get bigger (1.10+) rider accuracy makes things a lot easier for the horse.

Do ponies with smaller/shorter striding genuinely find jumping bigger fences more difficult in comparison to bigger more rangey horses? If yes, is this because of size of horse or length of stride?
No, some 14.2 JA tracks would test horses. For their size, 14.2s jump bigger and better than a lot of horses. It's about scope and pinginess off the floor, nothing to do with stride length imho, that only comes into effect in, say, a double set up at a horse distance, which a pony might well struggle with. The same size fences at an optimal distance for the pony's stride would be fine.

In you opinion are horses with a bigger stride more capable of jumping bigger tracks in general or does this have no influence whatsover?
No, stride adjustability and scope are crucial, not natural length of stride. Horses with a huge natural stride can really struggle to learn to shorten it, however, whereas horses with a shorter stride can learn to open it more easily, while maintaining their balance, imho.
 
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