Help me decide on a Dressage Stallion

[maginn]

What do you think for this mare ?

I want to breed something for myself to do mainly dressage, and hacking. I don't need a superstar but don't want a donkey either, and it must have a good temperament and move well. I am not a novice or anything but want something that is not going to chuck me off at the drop of a hat & is a nice person. Basically I want to breed a duplicate of this mare ! However just in case things don't work out as planned I also need something that will be marketable should I ever need to sell, although that's not want I plan to do.

She was bred by Alice Petternell by her Stallion Surprise who is by Royal Dance (Rodiament/Rubinstein), he also has Donnerhall & Pik Bube in his line. Dam is by Lansing (Landgraf).

As she is 17hh & I don't want to breed anything any bigger so no stallions over 16.2hh to give myself a good chance of this. I would like ideally to breed something bay or darker, a chestnut would not be my first choice, not prejudiced just personal taste.

I want to use a UK stallion and spend no more than £700 (plus vat if app) on the stud fee. I don't mind a younger stallion as long as the intention is that he will keep competing, hopefully to a high standard.

Some I have looked at:
Rhondeo - but is it a problem that he has Rubinstein in his line as well ? (4th generation in the mare)
Walentino
Sandro's Dancer

Any thoughts on the above or other suggestions welcome.
Here she is excuse scruffy appearance just took these quickly this morning and she is mid coat change !

Thanks

 

[Tempi]

I personally would avoid stallions with any line at all that is similar.

How about Valeur R? He is totally gorgeous, his owner (Zoe) comes on here too - her username is Tayloredequestrian (or it was before the forum changes!):

http://www.tayloredequestrian.co.uk/stallions_at_stud.htm

or Treliver Decanter (although he has Donnerhall) - his owner is on here too:

http://www.treliverstud.co.uk/treliver decanter.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS_3Bq7i7p8

 

[welshone]

I love sandros dancer, really uphill and light on his feet. He also has a super easy temperament and will be out competing this year.

 

[koeffee]

also wolkenderry, jaxmath is on here too!!

 

[Tempi]

Or Santo Hit?

http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/stallion_22186.html

 

[not_with_it]

There are loads to chose from and it sounds as though your mare has good bloodlines.

I really like Adonnis but then I am a huge fan of Gribaldi lines and would love to own a Gribaldi horse.

 

[Touchwood]

There is nothing wrong with line breeding as long as it is not too close - 4th generation is absolutely fine. Line breeding also gives a good chance of replicating the qualities of that line - in this case, Rubinstein generally gives great rideability, so would be ideal if you are looking to breed for yourself (we don't all want something that needs half an hour lunging before we can get on!).

 

[Tempi]

There is nothing wrong with line breeding as long as it is not too close - 4th generation is absolutely fine. Line breeding also gives a good chance of replicating the qualities of that line - in this case, Rubinstein generally gives great rideability, so would be ideal if you are looking to breed for yourself (we don't all want something that needs half an hour lunging before we can get on!).

Thats very interesting, i never realised that was the case. I had just thought that any line breeding wasnt good.

 

[Touchwood]

Line breeding is a great tool, almost always used in TB breeding. Of course it works both ways, if that line has any bad qualities you are more likely to get them too! So you need to do your research.

 

[maginn]

There is nothing wrong with line breeding as long as it is not too close - 4th generation is absolutely fine.

Yes that's what I understood but is it still ok if fourth generation in the mare & second in the stallion or does it make no difference as long as it's far enough back in one of them ?

 

[Bearskin]

I think I would spend an extra £150 and use Uthopia. Right size, right colour, fantastic results and I suspect his stud fee will go up next year.

 

[air78]

What about Garuda K? http://www.woodcrofttrakehners.co.uk/garudak.php

I think he throws stock with good temprements and he isn't too tall. I also really like Wolkenderry.

 

[FrodoBeutlin]

Line breeding is a great tool, almost always used in TB breeding. Of course it works both ways, if that line has any bad qualities you are more likely to get them too! So you need to do your research.

Yes I agree, and line breeding is more common than you'd think.

My horse (in signature) is Rautenstein x Rautenstein (father bred to daughter), and there are plenty of examples of top horses who have been line-bred (Rex Z, a stallion by Ratina Z x her full brother; Bachus Z, also out of two full siblings etc - I think both of these are approved sj stallions)

So I definitely wouldn't worry about the Rubinstein!

Having said that, I'd also use Uthopia