help...serious welfare issues at livery yard

Shysmum

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Hello, this is my very first post...and i'm asking for advice, sorry. I am distraught tbh, sorry this is a long one.

I used to work in animal welfare, so am very concerned about welfare stuff. I keep my youngster on a farm/ DIY livery yard, and before anyone asks, I am desperately seeking to move asap - I have only been there for a few months. I have never kept a horse on a livery yard before (always at private houses, very lucky) and I'm totally stunned by what goes on.

The long and short of it is that I need to do something for a pony, one of a group, which is now Body score 1 - 0. I have been checking on this group as much as I can, breaking their iced trough, feeding carrots, etc, as the owner has never been down since I arrived. The farmer changed them from haylage to poor quality hay about two weeks ago, and things are now critical. All the ponies (gypsy cobs) have very thick coats, so unless you have a good feel, or can tell a poor animal, it could be thought "from a distance" it was ok. It's not.

Anyway, I told the farmer last week that I am very concerned (he knows my background), and was told it was "nothing to do with him, they have hay and water, blah,blah,blah" and of course, I was made to feel the interfering b****. I know the law, and I know that these ponies are being fed/watered by the farmer, and so he has a responsibility to their welfare, as does the owner. Anyway, nothing has been done. My first instinct is to call the RSPCA, or the WHW.

I am desperate to move (and am working to find somewhere safe) - this farmer is quite a senior figure in the area - and in the meantime am feeding these ponies twice a day, but it is not enough. I have discussed with a friend about bringing her in, rugging her, feeding her more, etc, but this will cause real eruptions with said farmer.

All that said, my first responsibility is to my beloved pony, and I know the sort of reprisals that can happen, and are a real risk with this particular owner. Any report would automatically come back on me. I thought I had found the ideal yard to move to, but this is taking a time to sort out, not for the want of pushing from me, and I know that when I do something about this mare, my name will be blacklisted from many other yards.

I promise I will do the right thing for this mare, and am paying a lot myself to try and feed her to keep her alive until I can report it. The biggest shock for me has been the YO/farmers attitude. I know he sees me every day feeding and checking her, I know he thinks I'm an interfering old cow. And while I'm at it, I am horrified at how other liveries just hover above the line of neglect. Urgh !!!

Rant over, thanks so much for listening to me. I am just sovery sad and angry. I am not one of those people who can turn a blind eye and walk away - I am so stressed.

SM x
 
Sounds a bit surprising - if they are getting hay every day, and not being worked, they should be ok -perhaps they need worming? (especially if you are feeding them twice a day and its not enough still - are they shires?? you are right that they would know it was you who reported them, move quick and then phone if you are that worried!!
 
If they are being fed and watered I would be surprised if WHW or the RSPCA would get involved. Its a difficult situation and one that I have been familiar with in the past year. There is very little you can do that you're not already doing and, although it may sound hard, you're first priority is to your own horse. Keep pushing to get moved to somewhere where the YO gives a damn. Really don't know what to suggest in terms of the pony if you are worried about reprisals - maybe someone else on here will have suggestions.
 
as I say, I cannot move quickly enough. I am sure they will never have been wormed or had their teeth done, and this mare has just had a foal taken from her (foal kicked into a trailer with me and hubs watching - complaint ignored. In fact I had to be held back, but that's a whole other episode).

It could be shock from that incident, worms or teeth, or as I say bad quality hay. None of the other horses will eat the hay, hence why it is being put out in the field for the sheep and these horses. Farmer knows that the other liveries will not eat it. No logic to it.
 
I agree with tangoharvey. My cob and fell are on hay only and not rugged yet they are in fine condition - actually cob is overweight so would be surprised if this particular cob's issue is feed related. Could you post pics of this horse? If you can't tell it is underweight until you feel it I would suspect that it must have a bodyscore of more than 1 - 0.

It may be that there is a health issue here, and if the farmer and owners won't do anything then you need to contact WHW.
 
Trust me it is extremely underweight, BS 1 - 0. It is her woolly coat that is hiding the truth. She has a real ewe neck, her withers ard spine are very prominent, her ribs are sticking out, and her hipbones are protruding. Her face has sunken, esp around her eyes.

I totally agree, on good hay, she should be ok, but I must stress, this is not good hay. It's the type that makes you cough just being near it.

It just makes me so angry that I am the only one who cares enough to try and do something. It has been a very hard winter here, and more snow is forecast. Why are owners so **** and why does this farmer not give a toss ?

*sigh*
 
I have to say though (as awful as it is) if you are going to report them if they really are in poor condition, I would try to hold off from feeding the mare too much..

If they are brought up to weight you've not really got any case to stand on
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( In my experiance anyway).
 
I would strongly advise you to contact one of the Welfare Officers at the British Horse Society who will only be pleased to assist you in resolving this problem. They have a lot of experience in dealing with those that run yards and you can contact them on Tel: 01926 707791. The line is answered between 8.35 - 5.00 Monday to Thusday and 8.35 - 3.00 on Fridays. Outside these hours a voicemail system will direct you to a number which takes Emergency calls outside these times.

If I can be of any further assistanc please do not hesitate to contact me

Peter Natt - BHS North Hertfordshire
 
please do contact someone who has the power to take action.i know you are in a really difficult situation but from what youve said it wont improve otherwise.can you not move your horse somewhere even temporarily until the other yard is available.others may turn a blind eye but at least you can live with your conscience.thinking of you.be strong. deb
 
Thankyou so much for your replies ! I will certainly be reporting this when I have safely tucked my pony away, which has to be my priority.

I totally understand that to be feeding her is counter-productive with regards to a prosecution, but I cannot and will not stand by feeding my pony (good quality haylage) in the next field and let her look over watching me.

This is my dilemma - yes, I could wait for her to collapse, yes I could report her right now, yes I could do a lot of things, but until my boy is safe I am trapped.

Thankyou for your support , and as soon as I can ......

*tears* priorty is moving my boy now
 
no one will know you have reported the mare, tbh i wouldn't be waiting i would be calling asap and if anyone confronted me i would say it wasnt me.
 
Phone the BHS Welfare deptarment - and as hard as it is you must stop feeding them. If they get a vet out to see them the blood test them etc and the blood tests will show they have been fed. I understand how hard it is but please phone the BHS asap - do not phone WHW or the RSPCA as once they are reported the other welfare bodies have their hands tied with regards to taking action and they can not share any information they have as it is against data protection.

All mad I know but that is the rules.
 
shysmum........I would get your pony moved asap, I am not sure what are stopping you for an immediate exit but I am sure there are plenty of people on this forum that could support you with travel / info on local livery vacancies if that is what is preventing your move.
 
How very sad that the owners do not care enough, it must be awful to watch an animal suffer like that. As others have said, you need to contact the relevant people who can take action and move your pony. Keep us all posted
 
If this horse has been getting haylage and has recently been moved onto (albeit poor quality) hay then for it to have a condition score of 0-1 there is something fundamentally wrong with the horse rather than it being starved, especially a cob type which generally get fat on fresh air. You will struggle to get the RSPCA out if the horse is sound and has access to hay and water.
Edited to say - sorry, just noticed you have worked in horse welfare so no doubt will already know above re RSPCA!
 
ditto what everyone else says

do not feed anymore (I know its hard)
call either BHS or WHW or Redwings they will come out and despite poor quality hay etc being available they will give recommendations and monitor the situation and keep visiting.

Should no improvement be made then the WELFARE ACT 2006 can be applied from there on in.

Like everyone says rspca won't do diddly squat!

Oh and get yourself and your pony out asap
 
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