Help - sudden problems travelling. (long)

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My freind's pony who we often trailer has developed a sudden problem travelling and I wondered if anyone else had seen anything quite like it or had any suggestions?

He is a 7yr old 13hh new forest. He travels on the left side of our 2 horse Ifor. My lad is a 13.2hh cob X. He's heavier so he needs to go on the right. Plus he is partially sighted in his right eye and doesn't like having another horse (or much else!) on that side of him where he can't see. We have the partition and a bite grill between them, both have hay. Both are on bungees, but they can't reach each other to nip or anything.

We have travelled these two together to and from shows etc for just over 3 years. The NF isn't a particularly happy traveller - unlike my lad - but he is OK. He tends to brace himself sideways, shoulder and opposing hip on the walls rather than sitting on the breach bar like mine. I suspect he's be happier herringbone or sideways in a box - but we're the only transport they've got.

The NF has in the past been travelled with only a tail bandage. However he has recently been shod front feet only so on YO's reccommendation he travelled in pads. (My boy is always padded.) Last week was the first time he had travelled shod or in pads.

He had a very difficult time. He was kicking out - which he has never done before. But then he started to slip / collapse behind. We stopped a couple of times. We pulled the pads off the first time as his owner thought that might be the problem but it didn't help. Then we decided we just had to get him home and stopped stopping (if that makes sense!).

Vet saw him during the week for vaccinations etc and checked no lameness or anything obvious. Put it down to a one off and travelled him again yesterday. No pads but exercise type bandages. He was OK going out but he was alone (my boy was coming on later) and on the right.

Coming home with my lad on board so NF was back on the left he was OK for about 15 minutes then it all started up again. He seemed worse on left hand bends. When we got home I dropped the ramp just in time to see him collapse behind before recovering. I've never seen a horse do anything quite like that. Both hind feet were spayed out and neither slipped. But he just sort of folded at the hocks until his stifle hit the floor then scrabbled up again. That - I presume - is what has been making the noise as we travel and shaking the trailer / tow car. He was wringing with sweat and shaky. Not lame at all but I haven't seen a horse shudder like that - it was as if he was shivering. Plus I've never seen anything collapse quite like that.

No changes in feed / yard routine. He is probably a bit fitter at the moment than he has been in the past. No-one else has travelled him. He has not had a bad experience travelled other than these last 2 times. He loads fine.

I don't know if he is very angry about something or very scared. Or if there is a physical problem that causes his back end to collapse. Could it be his new shoes even though his front doesn't slip just his unshod back? Could he have just thrown an almighty strop and then exhausted himself? He was dripping with sweat - could it be that he was slipping when he tried to brace on the walls?

Anyway - obviously he is freind's problem. But her daughter and mine ride together and compete together a lot. We have always helped out by travelling them but if we can't get the NF sorted I would feel very cruel transporting him in that state. Plus - selfish though it is - I am also slightly concerned for my horse and my trailer! Freind is into parelli / animal communication etc and so has posted on that forum. I've had a more "conventional" horse upbringing so I thought I'd ask you lot!

Gosh...is anyone still awake after all that?
 
I can understand the pads causing a problem, not all horses like them and find them restrictive, hence the kicking out.

I'm wondering if the fact that his front end is now marginally higher than his back end is causing the problem. Why were shoes put on?

The camber of the road would mean that there would be more pressure on him on the left hand bends, so that could be why he was better on the right.

Maybe the backend collapsing was through sheer build up of stress.

I'd get a back person out, and get the front shoes off or back shoes on.
 
Hi,

I have seen this with quite a few horses over the past year - incidentally all in an Ifor Williams. My friend has a mare travelled weekly to shows for 3 years with never a problem, then they bought an ifor and a couple of months later she was doing the same thing. I think the suspension is different on the ifor we have since bought a wagon so never tried her back in the Rice but she is 100% on the wagon. Its a strange one!!
 
The travel boots could have caused an inital problem that he hasn;t got over yet. I don't travel my cob with boots - he stamps and kicks out enough without them,, and can't even cope with brushing boots on his nind legs so think they will cuase more problems than they solve. Your friend should maybe try overreach boots and exercise bandages for a bit of protection just on the fronts.

The shoes should not be causing a problem.

Maybe you could borrow a trailer cam to see whats happening?
 
If this has started since having front shoes on, I would say that he is finding it harder to balance in them. Unless it is imperative that he wears them, then I would have the shoes taken back off.
 
Thanks all!

I don't really know why he was shod. It happened when his owners were away in New Zealand and I didn't really like to ask. I understand my freind is not planning to re-shoe him as she likes her horses barefoot.

He's only wearing pads because of the shoes so once the shoes are gone so will the pads be. Hopefully that will sort the problem.

I've only ever had an Ifor trailer so the pony hasn't had experience of any other trailers - he's travelled in this one for the last 3 years. So I don't think that is the problem - although my trailer service is happening next week and I'll ask the guy to check the suspension.

Poor little thing - he was in such a state. I feel somewhat cruel travelling him again - although we have to try!
 
Check your tyre pressures. If one side is out, it will make the ride a very uncomfortable and frightening one. It may just be coincidence that the pony was shod and then had trouble travelling. Get the trailer checked out entirely and rule that out first.
 
my mare has started doing this! She is fine in a rear facing lorry but not our ifor williams trailer! We just couldn't work out what her problem was! I was amazed to see your post as its exactly the same issue I have been having, and also to read that it might be ifor williams related! We now only travel her in a lorry as last time we attempted the trailer she went right down and hurt herself quite badly.
 
The travel boots could have caused an inital problem that he hasn;t got over yet. I don't travel my cob with boots - he stamps and kicks out enough without them,, and can't even cope with brushing boots on his nind legs so think they will cuase more problems than they solve. Your friend should maybe try overreach boots and exercise bandages for a bit of protection just on the fronts.

my horse is the most laid back horse in the world. you can do anything to him/with him and he is completely chilled. however, put travel boots on him and he jumps and kicks until they come off. he HATES them. perhaps the boots caused him to wiggle about more than normal, which made everything a bit freaky and now he's worried about it happening again, so wiggles around... ?

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My horse has travelled perfectly in my Ifor for a year with a partition but all of a sudden he started playing up, went through many travel boots and was just launching himself at the partition. We then took the partition out and he is perfect once again, maybe you could take him out a few times without the partition so he can spread his legs further and get his balance/confidence back etc and then try him with the partition again with your horse in? Just a thought, hope this helps and good luck :)
 
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