Henryhorns 'How much would you be influenced by a blemish' *PICS*

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These pics are posted on behalf of Henryhorn regarding her previous post as below:

<font color="blue"> Some of you may remember Layla who we bought to replace Jonty when she was off with a tendon injury.
She had been just broken and within a matter of weeks was schooling beautifully and at her first dressage comp gained two seconds and decent scores.
We did some XC schooling, she loved it, went round a BE course un-aff, then out hacking with my husband she slipped on a newly tarmaced road and cut her knees open. Though the bone wasn't affected it took months and months to heal.
She came back into work a few months back but my daughter now has a full time job and can't ride her much at all, so she is going to be schooled a bit more by my husband then advertised.
What I need to know is how much would her knee blemishes put you off? they have shrunk to almost nothing but there are two small bald circles the size of a ten p which will most likely never grow hair again.
Against that she is spectacularly good to train and ride, willing and sane and has a massive bold jump. No other problems at all in any way, and is without doubt the sloppiest daftest horse I've ever encountered, which must count for something!
We have no prolem with any vet at all and our vet is happy to reassure prospective buyers that the damage was cosmetic not to the bone..
By how much would you drop your price? Daughter and dressage trainer both reckon she is exceptional in that she learns fast and easily, but I have never sold a horse with a blemish before in my life so am a bit puzzled what to ask..
She is 16. 2 hh rising 6 selle francais (very well bred) and her pics are on www.narramorehorses.blogspot.com
(this isn't an ad she isn't actually for sale yet!)
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Here are the pics of layla to give you a better idea of the blemishes...


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Wouldn't put me off at all, and I wouldn't expect the price to be dropped really. It would only affect her if she was being sold as a showing prospect surely? For all other disciplines it shouldn't matter at all as long as she passes the vet?
 
I recently sold a horse with a superficial scar that affected the way his hoof looked (he had a quater crack) I had about 10 people come and look at him and i told them all about it over the phone, they weren't a bit bothered!!! I didnt change the price due to the blemish coz he did the same job, with or without ( i even did young event horse classes with it)it!! The people who did eventually buy did have it x-rayed to make sure, but they also had him x-rayed all round!! BTW shes a stunna!!!!
 
Agree with EmmaC as if passes full vetting &amp; not buying for showing wouldn't put me off &amp; wouldn't expect much, if any, price reduction. If you and you vet are 100% sure no bone/joint involvement would you be prepared to offer any sort of short term guarantee (wouldn't offer anything long term as you never know what might happen in future) as this might re-assure a prospective purchaser.
 
If she is a competitive horse then it wouldnt bother me but I would expect it to be reflected in the price, purely because you cant show her and because she doesnt have much of a competition record yet. However I dont think she has been bred for the show ring anyway so it's not that important. Plus I dont show very often so it is irrelevant to me!! If you could get some competition wins or BD/BE points I dont think it would be an issue. The damage is superficial and unlikely to cause problems later but someone buying might try to knock you down on the price because of it. The only thing I would be concerned about is taking the sellers word that the knee wasnt more damaged if I didnt know the seller from Adam. So it may be worth HH getting hold of the scans/xrays to show the buyers vet.
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As it stands at the moment I think you would be looking at quite a price reduction. If you were selling her at the end of the competition season I think it may be different story........
 
Must say she is stunning &amp; my kind of horse.
Honestly it would put me off even with vets OK purely as you never know the full story. If I knew the horse before &amp; whilst it happened then it wouldn't put me off! Have just become very synical!
What is the white line above her knee on NF?? Is that related to same time or an earlier incident or nothing at all!?
 
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As it stands at the moment I think you would be looking at quite a price reduction. If you were selling her at the end of the competition season I think it may be different story........

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I must admit I tend to agree.

The x-ray evidence would help, and also a few more competitions under her belt post injury, would also help.
It depends really, on the price wanted for her, but HH's horses are always very realistically priced anyway.
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I would be influenced by the scaring as the one on the OF looks a bit red still.

The white mark on the NF looks like a bandage mark.
 
My mare has a rather large scar on her bottom.. she got it when coming accross on the boat from Ireland.. so blemishes dont really bother me.. I mean you could have the best looking horse thats blemish free.. then an accident could happen and its got a blemish.. to me its character defining, it doesnt effect her well being or how she goes,

My old pony had lots of scaring around its head and face as when it was a foal he was neglected and lets just say he grew into his head collar.. he was the best ponio i ever had scars and all.. However if it was a showing horse/pony then i'm guessing scaring and blemishes would not be good.
 
At the moment it would put me of, as its still red and doesn't look nice. Once they have healed properly she may get more hair round the edges to make them seem smaller. Also with a few comps under her belt post-injury would make it seem like less of a worry.
I'd ask alot of questions to owner and vets about the injury (whether just skin or actually into knee joint - latter would be a serious no no).
My horse has 2 holes in his knees when startin Novice BE and did much research into it. Hes since gone 2 seasons on and now intermediate and hopefully further this year. It now doesn't bother him at all, he just has slightly puffy knees!!
 
The scarring would influence me plus I would be very cautious about any longer term implications to the joints.

I sold a talented and once very attractive gelding at a huge loss because he had been very badly bitten by his field mate. The scars on his flanks didnt affect his ability but his appearance was compromised and it really did affect what people were willing to pay.
 
The scarring hasn't fully healed yet, so if HH was considering selling now then I would think that serious buyers would be looking for a price reduction....not sure how much of a reduction mind you.....20% perhaps?

Once the scarring is completely healed and providing the horse passed a vetting, then I think the reduction in price may not be as much.
 
Then same happen to my mare, once healed like her off fore, I put conenctrate (sp), the stuff for feet, it grew back, the same colour and you could not notice them. A lot of showing people do it if horse is cut
 
Yes it would put me right off.Simply because I knew a horse that suffered from exactly the same injury. Knees heeled up, it was fine for ages, then he bashed his knees on XC and the scars were split right open again- blood everywhere and the knees had to be stitched up and took ages to heel.
That horse was a pretty rubbish jumper though. If Layla snaps her legs up well over a fence, and is quick thinking, then that is good news.
 
Scars in most places would not bother me but on joints it would. I would be worried about concussion to the joint capsule and the possible implications later in life or under hard work.
She's a lovely mare - it's a real shame
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TBH, as people have already said, as she stands now, it would put me off. With a season behind her, then I would consider her, but still only at a reduced price. As even with a 5 stage vetting, that is only a snap shot in time and doesn't guarantee anything - I would genuinely be worried about the internal structures of her knees, as she ages.

Having said that, Berry went down on the road with me about 17/18 years ago and he broke his knees. Though not to the extent that poor Layla did and he has only a small dent under his black hair - you have to know it's there to feel it really. He's been driving for the past 10 years, competing in driving trials, with both disabled and able bodied drivers - he's still sound.
 
Thanks everyone, she was never even the slightest bit unsound from the day she did it, but I plan on getting my vet to XRay her and provide the pics to any interested purchasers.
One forum member did come and try her last year and liked her, but my daughter decided she then wanted to keep her, now her circumstances have changed we can sell the horse after a bit more schooling and fitness work.
I think she will excell at dressage as she is utterly willing and learns quickly, she was on here ages ago in a vid of her first ever dressage test, and she has no ifs or buts at all, plus she is a sloppy mare who kisses her owners..
No plans to advertise her for a while but it has helped listening to other's views on blemishes.
And a big thank you to Dubs, who kindly bumped this post and added the pics for me..
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