Heres the pic of the warmblood i was talking about!

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Hi, i posted a post on here about how to lower and drop a green horses nose..well i have been riding on her now and playiong around with her for about a week and i have actually got her dropping her nose now..here are some pics -
When she arrived....
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shes a lovely mare to ride and very forward going...
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heres her now after about 6 days of riding...
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comments please on how shes getting on...also for sale in south west wales. carms
 
How honest a comment do you want?

I would like to see her round over her back more rather than just in front. It's quite easy to wiggle the front end into an 'outline' but what you really want is the hindleg stepping through more into the contact. At the moment it looks like more horse behind the saddle than in front, and it should look equal (imagine a beach ball in front and one behind - they should be the same size). I would like to see this horse taking the contact more forwrds rather than drawing in and shortening the neck.

In pics 2 and 3 she looks as if she is leaning on your hand. I actually prefer the 1st one. Sorry
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She looks a nice sort, just green and unbalanced at the mo, i would say endless transitions, spiraling in and out etc to get her off her forehand.
 
Ideally you want her head straight, not tucked under, you will find her running through the shoulder all the time and impossible to stop, turn or balance properly. Green horses can tend to go in the way your mare is as they haven't yet learnt to ride up to the bridle. My 3 yr old is the same, as soon as you pick up even a light contact he tucks his head in his chest. It is nice to see you giving with your hand as she softened in the pic of her standing. Work on loads of transitions and balancing excercises.

Let us know how you get on.
 
Trying to be gentle, why so focussed on getting her to drop her nose? I'm assuming because you want her to work in an outline? The thing is, like others have said, she's unbalanced and needs to strengthen up, so transitions, spirals etc. will gradually help her to develop that strength and balance. Once that is managed - and not in six days, might I add - then you can start asking her to work from behind. As her muscles develop, she'll begin to lift her back, but this too takes time and exercise, and then, gradually, as long as you have soft hands that allow her to relax her jaw, her head will begin to fall into place. But this takes months of work, and quite honestly, not all horses are built for it, nor are all riders capable of asking for it. The danger is that a little knowledge can be dangerous and when a rider first hears about 'outlines' it is so easy to get all caught up with pulling the head into the 'correct' position because, quite simply, it's the bit that they look at. (I suspect if we all rode horses backwards, we would obsess just as much about what their quarters were doing and totally neglect their heads instead!) If you want to begin working towards a proper outline, then you have a lot (i.e. months) of work to do with someone on the floor who knows what they're looking for, and whilst she's unbalanced, it's actually going to make her life harder if she's having to work with her head in what (to her, right now) is an awkward position. I mean this all as gently as I can. Lord knows I pulled ponies' heads into an 'outline' and thought I looked wonderful for years until I met my nemesis riding instructor who told me in no uncertain terms just how very far from great I was and I had to start all over again from scratch, so I'm not speaking here as if I've never made the self-same mistake. Like someone said above though, the first picture is a far nicer sight than the other two, and the video makes me a little bit sad
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Until she is stronger in her back etc, you could actually be making her feel very uncomfortable. As everyone has said it is the hind end you need to concentrate on, getting her moving forward. It is her poll that should be the highest bit so your last 2 picture show her behind the bit. I did a search and it may help to read some of these, they will at least show you that your mare is behind not on the bit.
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bielikov/dressage/D-06.htm
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/saferide/119-janesavoie.shtml
 
What a lovely quiet rider you are. I would like to see her not tucking her nose in and being forced on to her forehand - rather moved on a bit so that she's actually useing her back end more.

Don't worry about the front end until the back end is working properly - all of which will happen once you've got a bit more engagement.

She looks like a lovely sort, with a fab canter.

I think that the horse you mentioned were all stallions, so sire and grandsire possibly???
 
Ah thNKS FOR THE NICE COMMENTS! no i ment what i said lol..shes out of 'catherston golden storm' who of which is out of 'dutch gold'..in all fairness to the girl..she is only starting to be schooled and she has a naturally up hill canter its just she looks at everything..she tends to go all hollow and evades the bit when she sticks her nose out, but as i agree with you all..she will improve over time and hopefully she will be reschooled by next month and ready to go:):)

will keep you up dated!! xxxx
p.s just been cattle herding with her and she went like a pro..fastest horse on the fie3ld, agile and quick hehe! loved it! and she really loves her work!!
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no i ment what i said lol..shes out of 'catherston golden storm' who of which is out of 'dutch gold'..

[/ QUOTE ] I think you missed AmyMay's point! When you are talking about a horse's pedigree, you use 'out of' to refer to the dam, and 'by' for the sire. So the horse isn't 'out' of Catherston Golden Storm, it is BY Catherston Golden Storm, who in turn is BY Dutch Gold. (Unless, of course, the two stallions are in the Guiness Book of Records as the first stallions to be able to carry and give birth to a foal!
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no i ment what i said lol..shes out of 'catherston golden storm' who of which is out of 'dutch gold'..

[/ QUOTE ] I think you missed AmyMay's point! When you are talking about a horse's pedigree, you use 'out of' to refer to the dam, and 'by' for the sire. So the horse isn't 'out' of Catherston Golden Storm, it is BY Catherston Golden Storm, who in turn is BY Dutch Gold. (Unless, of course, the two stallions are in the Guiness Book of Records as the first stallions to be able to carry and give birth to a foal!
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haha - Sire - 'Catherston Golden Storn'
Grandsire - 'Dutch Gold'

there, no confusion hehe....
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she is a nice mare. doesnt like our old man tho...(oldest gelding on farm) very insulting to him
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Ideally you want her head straight, not tucked under, you will find her running through the shoulder all the time and impossible to stop, turn or balance properly. Green horses can tend to go in the way your mare is as they haven't yet learnt to ride up to the bridle. My 3 yr old is the same, as soon as you pick up even a light contact he tucks his head in his chest. It is nice to see you giving with your hand as she softened in the pic of her standing. Work on loads of transitions and balancing excercises.

Let us know how you get on.

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thanks for that hunn, will do!!
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shes coming on lovely
 
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