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Hooligan has had a draggy hind toe since I've owned him (he was 7, now 13). Passed vetting, draggy hind toe was believed to be laziness as you could stop it once he was working properly.

Later found out he'd come over from Ireland as a 4 year old with the problem, so it's a long-standing thing. Investigations of hocks, fetlock and SI area showed nothing.

Off for a couple of years after a DDFT injury in front. Found out he has advanced navicular in both front feet, but is carefully managed and sound in front. He does light hacking and once or two days of very light school work. I bought him to event, originally, so you could somewhat say I have altered my whole plan to give this horse the life he needs and secure him a forever home.

Last Autumn I noticed draggy toe getting worse on lunge and under saddle. A few days later he ended up injuring himself in the field and needing staples, so he had most of winter off. Back in work and hind leg issues still apparent, mostly in trot. Also in canter (just in field of his own accord), his draggy toe leg is going almost in front of his other hind leg. It's very odd. He comes cantering up the field and looks like he's missing a leg. Farrier mentioned last week that he's gone very stiff behind when holding his hind feet up, but he said he felt it was fetlock.

So Leahurst have been booked for next week to investigate the issue. Also got the horse back vet coming to give him a look over too. I did have his back checked 6 weeks ago by my physio, but just covering all angles again.

If it is hocks, I'm assuming it's bone spavin, or some form of arthritis. Any success stories of medicating the joint? What is the likelihood it has already fused and I am dealing with a mechanical issue? I would just like the horse to remain comfortable for light hacking and occasional light schooling if possible. Greatest aim would be an intro or prelim test. He's an idiot, frankly, and needs a job. He's cost me over £15k in vet bills since his arrival 6 years ago, so no expense has been spared with this animal, but my god I don't know how much more I can take.

Doesn't appear to be in any noticeable pain when moving about in the field, happily trots and canters everywhere, big grin on his face, but obviously there is some element of stiffness or discomfort be toe dragging worse and struggling to hold for farrier.

Anyone had similar?
 

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My 11 year old was diagnosed with hock arthritis nearly two years ago now. His was causing extreme behaviour under saddle and was managed easily with steroids. He's also on a good joint supplement (hackup bespoke) and I made sure he was out as much as possible. When stabled I bandage his hind legs to try and keep his hocks a little warmer especially on cold nights, I did consider hock boots at one point but he has such diddy legs nothing stays on.

When worked I would walk him on the road for 10 mind before arena work and that did him really good.

Unfortunately a month ago he had a reaction to the steroids and got lami in all four feet. It looks like he's recovering well and we've been discussing other ways of managing the arthritis. Cartrophen is top of the list right now.
 

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Thanks for the reply. Can I ask what behaviour he was exhibiting under saddle?

Vet booked for Thursday. I always do 10 minutes road walking before going in the manège, something I have done since rehabilitating him back from a tendon injury. In a moment of panic the other day, I had convinced myself he was a wobbler, as I have noticed his back leg give way a little under saddle and he sometimes feels a bit drunk when you first go into trot, but he works out of this within a few minutes and he responded normally to all the wobbler tests I then did with him on he ground, so I'm hoping that was just my imagination.
 

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Usually hind toe drag/ squared off toes would indicate a hock problem, but my friend has a horse that has tight hamstrings and he drags both his hind toes terribly, but is completely sound and passed a 5 stage vetting.
Is it just one toe your horse drags?

Edited to add: my friend manages her horse with regular physio and daily stretches to keep the hamstrings loose.
 
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Usually hind toe drag/ squared off toes would indicate a hock problem, but my friend has a horse that has tight hamstrings and he drags both his hind toes terribly, but is completely sound and passed a 5 stage vetting.
Is it just one toe your horse drags?

Edited to add: my friend manages her horse with regular physio and daily stretches to keep the hamstrings loose.

Yes, just the right hind toe. The left hind has got noticeably less active than it used to be, he used to have a fantastic over track in walk, but both hinds sometimes struggle to even track up. Left hind toe has never dragged though.
 

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Thanks for the reply. Can I ask what behaviour he was exhibiting under saddle?

Vet booked for Thursday. I always do 10 minutes road walking before going in the manège, something I have done since rehabilitating him back from a tendon injury. In a moment of panic the other day, I had convinced myself he was a wobbler, as I have noticed his back leg give way a little under saddle and he sometimes feels a bit drunk when you first go into trot, but he works out of this within a few minutes and he responded normally to all the wobbler tests I then did with him on he ground, so I'm hoping that was just my imagination.

He went from throwing the odd cheeky buck to full on rodeo pony. Didn't want to move forward or he didn't want to slow down there was no in-between. Took him to vets he was never lame even with flexions and lunged on various surfaces. Xrays also showed mild KS but bone scan showed it was hocks causing the issues not the KS. Since being the bucking stopped but he definitely has stiff days and good days. He's currently quite sore as on box rest but have found bandaging high up as possible seems to help a bit.
 

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My ex racehorse had bone spavin at 5 years old. He had steroid injections into each hock and has been fine ever since. He has lots of other issues, mind you, but the hock injections worked a treat for him.
 

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My TB was diagnosed with bone spavin and kissing spine a few years ago and is now, after being off for so long, showing lameness which may be linked to arthritis. Although I feel as if she's never truly going to be right for what I originally wanted, she doesn't seem to show any signs of discomfort in the field and she does make a very sweet garden ornament. Horses, eh?! I can only hope you have better luck than I've had!
 

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Update on the hooligan- right hock arthritis has been diagnosed. Options were to medicate the joint or try a Danilon trial for a few weeks first and then possibly medicate depending on how he gets on on the Danilon. I opted for a Danilon trial as this will also help with his navicular in his offside fore, which he was very slightly lame on today trotting on hard ground.
May go down the medicating hocks route if I don't feel he is responding well to the Danilon.

Hasn't come as any great surprise. Vet said give him a few days for the Danilon to kick in, then continue with his usual exercise regime as this will be more beneficial to the joint than time off.
 

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In your shoes I would do the steroid jabs and a course of cartofen .
I would consider tildren or similar as well.
 

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In your shoes I would do the steroid jabs and a course of cartofen .
I would consider tildren or similar as well.

Im just very wary of steroid injections in case of laminitis. I know it's a relatively small risk, but if he got laminitis, it really would be end of the road for this horse.

Leahurst are very good with him, he has a complex history and is not a good patient, but if I'm not seeing enough relief with Danilon, we will go down the next route.

Have you had success with Tilden in the past? I only know one horse who has had it and I don't think he repsonded as well as they hoped.

In spite of his hock stiffness, the hooligan treated the vet and students to some fantastic acrobatics on the lunge!
 

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I feel for you :(

My mare was diagnosed a year ago. Since then we have tried steroids, Tildren, killing off the nerve endings but sadly none has worked. It is looking likely she will be a field ornament pretty soon.

She also displayed behaviour problems under saddle.
 

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I feel for you :(

My mare was diagnosed a year ago. Since then we have tried steroids, Tildren, killing off the nerve endings but sadly none has worked. It is looking likely she will be a field ornament pretty soon.

She also displayed behaviour problems under saddle.

I'm really sorry to hear that, having had a couple that have ended up as field ornaments post-injury (including this horse- his comeback has been nothing short of a miracle), I know how devastating it is.

Anything I can do with the hooligan is a bonus really. 3 years ago he had a DDFT injury that pretty much wrote him off. I threw him out for 2 years and by some miracle he came sound.
 
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