Honesty... what to do re height certificate

[blitznbobs]

I have a 8 year old Traditional Cob that was gold height certed (Life) at the beginning of the year at a 154cm... I thought he'd grown since then so measured him earlier in the week when I took him to the vets for some routine stuff... (teeth etc)... And he came up about 162cm... Now do I fess up and get him re certificated or not??

Mmmmm

Blitz

 

[Fools Motto]

I would love you to own up. I personally can't stand it when people have horses clearly way too big for the class, meaning that people who do have a correctly heighted horse make them look like peas! (yes, I've experienced it many times).

Please fess up, I'd give you a mince pie!!

 

[Jesstickle]

Do you show him? What are the rules for cobs? What height do you want him to measure under? Is there another class for him if he is over height for the class you want or does it right him off a bit?

ETS: I don't know the rules for show cobs, I've only had ponies and hacks!

I probably wouldn't tell anyone and would wait until I was called out on it at a show but I am not terribly sporting

 

[FMM]

It is not straight forward to change a height certificate when it is a life one. You will need to object (and out down something in the region of £500 which will be returned to you once the horse has been measured at a different height than the one on his certificate).

Did you have shoes on when he went to the vets? And was it an official measuring pad? The official measuring pads will have more accurate measurement facilities.

If you want to change it (although unless you are showing or jumping I have no idea why you would want to bother with the expense!) then you need to contact the JMB and they will go through it with you. Google JMB Online and it will come up with their website.

On another note, I am always a little irritated by ringside judges who claim they can tell the difference of 1cm from 50 yards away - yeah, right!

Of course some horses will look smaller - the ones that can literally walk under the 155 cm height threshold could (if they were given time to relax in unfamiliar settings) probably lose 2 or 3 cms. But they don't need to - so get a life height of (say) 155cm, when they could easily get one for 152cm if given time to relax. So they will, of course, look smaller against those horses which needed to be given time to relax prior to the measurement.

This does NOT mean that the larger horse is overheight - what it does mean is that the smaller horse is not UP to height - irrespective of what is on the height certificate. Hope that makes sense

 

[Erin]

I have a 8 year old Traditional Cob that was gold height certed (Life) at the beginning of the year at a 154cm... I thought he'd grown since then so measured him earlier in the week when I took him to the vets for some routine stuff... (teeth etc)... And he came up about 162cm... Now do I fess up and get him re certificated or not??

Mmmmm

Blitz

But being at 154cm puts you in horse classes anyway so I don't see that it really matters what his height cert says?

 

[MissSBird]

I know of a horse that had two annual height certificates and finally his lifetime, and his owner never in all her life managed to get him to measure as small as that.

When you took the new measurement did you -

Do it without shoes and feet properly trimmed?
Give him 20 minutes to relax?
Do this on the appropriate measuring pad?
Take the measurement with the head in the right place?

If not, then you'll probably find the certificate is correct.

I really wouldn't bother. In this case there is nothing to fess up! It doesn't alter what class you compete in, in any discipline. I'd save your money for more important (read fun) things!

 

[blitznbobs]

The height cut off is 155cm... so it does make a difference but I don't fancy paying 500 quid to be sporting.. Yes he's a show horse and although will be shown lightly next season (due to me having a baby May 12) I plan to show him extensively the following year...

I guess I'll just leave it for now and see if he grows any more

Blitz

PS YES it was on a mat... and he was doped for his teeth so well relaxed!!

 

[be positive]

That is some way over height and if you were planning on doing the under 155 cm classes you would need the cert.and will possibly get someone objecting, I would just move up to the over 155 then you should not need to produce it and usually do not even need one for the open height classes.

 

[FMM]

If he is a traditional then he is not a show cob? I thought you meant a coloured traditional as opposed to a show cob.

If you mean show cob, then you are right - 155 is the cut off.

However, with BSPA and CHAPS the cut off is different - I think 15hh? Can't quite remember. So it does depend on whether you did mean traditional or show cob!

 

[MissSBird]

Sorry, I somehow had a stupid moment and got it into my head that 152 was the equivalent to 15.2hh, not 158. Completely ignore my previous post then!

And pretty much what FFM said!

 

[Kacey88]

I have a 8 year old Traditional Cob that was gold height certed (Life) at the beginning of the year at a 154cm... I thought he'd grown since then so measured him earlier in the week when I took him to the vets for some routine stuff... (teeth etc)... And he came up about 162cm... Now do I fess up and get him re certificated or not??

Mmmmm

Blitz

Is nobody else shocked that an eight year old grew 8 cms?! Is this normal?