Horse behaviour issues in the field!

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So, I've got a beautiful 17hh 6yo ISH who is the apple of my eye. He works so well-is an absolute dream to ride, behaves impeccably despite being relatively green and we have so much fun! He's a darling to handle on the ground too.

My problem is the way he behaves in the field. We have a stable herd of 6 (himself included)-5 geldings and a mare. Two of the geldings are older and comparatively new to the yard, having only been there for a few months. Two are more established, one is the herd leader and the other is his second-in command.

My Giles will chase the mare. Constantly and without stopping. She has jumped out, run herself through wire and broken through a slip rail to get away from him. He will also chase the two elderly ones-in particular the fitter still ridden one. When he goes for any of them, it's full on, mouth wide open, ears flat back.

Splitting them up seemed to work for a while, but now he'll jump out of the split paddock into the one containing his "prey"! Or he'll just jump out even though he's first out. Or he'll walk straight through the electric fencing (whether it's on or not). He's broken through slip rails, pulled out electric fencing poles with his teeth, you name it!

It's getting to where my YO is getting really upset...and I actually can't blame her! It's driving me insane too! I don't want any of the others hurt, and it's just a huge accident waiting to happen! My YO is also a really good friend, but we're going to end up having an issue over this!

Watching him when he's out with the whole herd (he can go hours without attacking anyone and there seems to be no particular pattern), he'll grab a couple of mouthfulls of grass, then move to another spot, grab a couple more, move again, and so on. He won't settle even on knee-high grass! He'll often move others out of the way to grab a couple of mouthfulls just where they were grazing. But he never settles anywhere, unlike all the others who find a patch and graze it. He'll often be at the complete opposite end of the field to the rest of the herd and is completely unphased if the whole lot come in and he's on his own.

I'd think he had no "social skills" but I'm told he comes from a big herd in Ireland. While I have no way of knowing this for sure, the dealer who sold him to me had no reason to lie about this. Sometimes it seems he's vying for dominance, but he seems to then not care about the others at all in between.

I'm at a loss...we can't go on the way we are! I've increased his workload, I've changed his feed (increased chelated calcium, no molasses, pure forage), he has a mineral lick (which sorted out his chewing to some extent). He is being clicker trained to try to focus his considerable intelligence. He's healthy, fit and enjoys his work. He's not on restricted grazing at all, he's out for a GOOD 12 hours a day. I've had him about 16 months now, and he wasn't like this last summer. It's been getting gradually worse over the last 6 months or so.

Any ideas?
 
Just an idea but my horse can be similar to this when I am around..he turns into a teeth flashing, biting, glaring beast, purely because I am around, then when I'm not he is ok. Its hard to tell from your description if you are doing the watching :confused: :D so maybe get a friend to see what he is like without you around. If it really is getting bad then it's sounds mad but i'd probably get the vet out because it could be something hidden that he is trying to tell you and other horses that is making him angry? or it might just be him showing some riggy behaviours, although this doesn't account for chasing mares away.... horses ey? :rolleyes: ...sorry, not much help but it's all i've got :D
 
I'd say it was down to there only being one mare. He won't go for the ones in between as they pose no threat to him - if that makes sense.
 
We have two geldings that like to play fight each other, but it gets a bit rough, and they were ripping rugs and chunks out of each other. The answer was grazing muzzles. When they couldn't bite due to the muzzles, only poke each other, the game lost its appeal, and thought they did chase each other a bit, they got bored and gave up. Perhaps the fact that it takes them longer to get a stomach full of grass also helps. We kept the muzzles on for a couple of months, and they seemed to have forgotten about their game when the muzzles later came off.
 
@jaspejoo He does it mostly when I'm not there, so it's definitely not showing off to me...and he's recently been checked by the vet for another reason. I mentioned these issues and she had no ideas but gave him a health check and everything was fine...

@LaurenM he'll chase the older gelding regardless of whether the mare is out or not...or jump out even when first out, so not sure on that one...but yeah, it is awkward with only one mare!

@Honey08 I'm almost tempted to try that! Though he's never actually managed to bite anything, it's the running away from him that's the risk of injury, so not sure whether it'd work...

Fab thoughts though :)
 
It could be worse mind :) my gelding gets mounted by another gelding during their 'games'. They'll also rear up and paw each other. The other gelding will herd my gelding around the field, will try and Chase him while he's rolling so he can roll in the exact same spot etc. Nuisance. They weren't like this on the old yard (mixed herd) whereas they're just with other geldings now.
 
we had a horse who wouldn't stay in his starvation paddock and jumped out, but we used the highest electric fencing you can get and he soon stopped jumping out....wether or not your gelding might still try and jump out or not i don't know but the one at our yard was too lazy to try it :rolleyes:
 
we had a horse who wouldn't stay in his starvation paddock and jumped out, but we used the highest electric fencing you can get and he soon stopped jumping out....wether or not your gelding might still try and jump out or not i don't know but the one at our yard was too lazy to try it :rolleyes:

Sadly he'll jump a five-bar gate quite happily. He's on 4ft electric fence posts now as he could just step over the 3ft ones...he IS 17hh. He jumps a metre plus without stopping to think about it under saddle. He's not even in a starvation paddock, he has more grass than he can eat! Little bugger just seems to get bored and "decide" to cause some mischief!
 
It's not the same but when my mare was breaking through the electrics at her old yard to try and eat the pony next to her they plugged it into a deivce on the mains. It nearly knocked me out when I touched it by mistake but it sure stopped her going through! :D
 
He sounds like his aggression is progressing. I'd have a full blood profile done to check hormonal levels. Some types of tumours can release testosterone which can cause weird behavioural problems.
 
we have a 14.2 jumping pony (welsh x) at our yard and we are having similar issues with him, like yours he does'nt do it all the time, but will turn on his field companion kicking and biting him for no reason, he goes over or through electric fencing (4ft) when you keep them apart, our grazing is quite poor so we hay the fields, making sure there is plenty, he came to us as a skinny thing (his last yard did'nt feed him because they could never catch him, he is very nervous) so think behaviour is related to food isues, we have now put our most dominant geldings in the paddock adjoining him to see if that calms him down.
 
only one suggestion which is mains electric fence, 4ft height and to sets about 3 ft apart, as in wide but not to wide so they can bounce. if you put a rug on him i would get a small piece of tap and loop it throught the chest buckles so he can still get a zap and he is not insulated by the rug.

ok heres a second thought, i would have him hormone checked as a previous poster suggested, as he might be a rig
 
Thanks guys, this is giving me some stuff to think about!

Hormones hadn't even crossed my mind (I can be incredibly blind when it's my own critters), so that's going to be on the list of to-dos.

Mains electric fencing isn't an option at the moment as the fields are too far away from the buildings, but I'll look at strengthening and perhaps doubling up the fencing so he can't jump it. I've got a solar trickle charger for the battery as well, which should help keep it as strong as it can be. I've taken his fly rug off for the time being so hopefully he'll learn to respect it a bit more!

I wish I could try him out with different groups, as things WERE quiet when we'd split the group into two groups of three, but it's not down to me and YO wants them all out together on the back field to eat it down. She says she's never seen anything like it in 50-odd years of keeping horses. I was saying dominance issues from the start, but she points out that he's then off completely by himself in between and says that's not typical.

Sometimes you just wish you could TALK to them! Even for a few minutes! :rolleyes:
 
i keep one of mine separate from the rest as he is a bossy bugger, complete sweetheart with people but he gets too attatched to my mare and chases the other boys away from her, he's different from yours tho as he stresses himself stupid if i take the mare away:rolleyes: he can jump 4 ft so i had to double fence for a while, i put the lower 2nd line about 3ft away from the first line, he fence walked for a while but he settled down after a while and now i don't need to use a 2nd fenceline.
with your lad i think i would get him checked just in case theres some hormone issue going on:confused:
 
Ref the elec fencing.
I had one habitual escapee (was a remedial/boot camp person for a number of years, so had to deal with all types!), so one half acre paddock with 2 bar post & rail - I had low (std) electric stakes set 3 ft inside the perimeter fance, including 'hook/tape/handle' at gate
Then tape attached to top of perimeter fence, thus about 4ft.
Then additional std stakes 'bound on' to the perimeter fence, making fence a total of 5ft 6" at top. This also had high handle/tape over gateway.

So, 3 differing heights in total - ALL the way round, run off large leisure battery which would hold charge for about 6 days.

Bolshy nutter tried to work out how to get out - nada - job done :)

I'd be tempted to do similar & put him on solitary if you can.

Good luck, hope you can resolve this thuggery.
 
Thanks for your input guys, this is really great-at the very least I don't feel so alone knowing there are others out there with the same issue! :D

Vet has been booked for blood tests, and I'm going to see if I can double up on the fencing! Willing to try just about anything at this stage!
 
Separate him and give him a companion that he doesn't bully.

I've been the owner of a horse like this - and it's the only answer in order to prevent terminal injury to something eventually. Plus it prevents you being chucked off the yard...
 
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