horse crippled but barely been out, help and advise please!

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Just wanted to share this vid and see what any expert hho'ers thought. Res basically presented like this today, he was fine on Friday and went out in the school yesterday for half an hour as fields too boggy and they've been in nearly all week. He had a bit of a canter around but nothing major and certainly nothing to explain this degree of lameness today. The general consensus with everyone is its something high up in pelvis area, he has had issues round here before that have been successfully treated by a mctimoney physio but NEVER been like this. Going to call vet tomorrow if no better but will be tricky fitting around work so just wanted to see if anyone else had any opinions on what it could be, given that he's not really done anything to cause it that i've seen

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he could of just pulled a muscle whilst he was being worked. probably the best thing is box rest its hard in this weather they can quite easily stiffen up due to the cold.
 
Having seen your video, I would seriously consider this to be Azoturia (set fast) I really think you should ask your vet to rule this out - blood test. Azoturia is a serious condition and the way your horse is moving suggest this is a possibility.

Please don't trot your horse any more as you could do more damage to the muscles. Watch him for dark urine.

Azoturia is commonly caused by a period of being in the box (Monday morning disease)

I hope he gets better x
 
thanks all, going to try and get vet out tomorrow so will go from there, someone else mentioned azotouria after seeing the vid so will definatly mention that as his turnout has dramatically decreased this week due to the weather. Just praying its nothing too serious. x
 
hay only,bran mash with epsom salts in it, walking out in hand after the initial attack is over.Cut hard feed drastically in the future.
 
Looks as if he has tyed up (Azoturia) both on walk and trot. If you can not get the vet then speak to them and explain it all.

If you feel the muscles on that side do then feel hat and tight. Keep him really warm, cut his feed. Do not walk him out as this can make him worse. Until you know what it is do not have a Physio or such.
 
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The general consensus with everyone is its something high up in pelvis area, he has had issues round here before that have been successfully treated by a mctimoney physio but NEVER been like this.
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Thinking back, could he have had mild cases if the same thing previously and it has been put down to something else.
 
If you suspect he has tied up then cut all hard feed completely, just fibre. Keep him warm and well hydrated and get the vet as he will need pain relief until the attack is over.
Once through this you need to really look at the management because he will be prone to more attacks. Things like no hard feed, lots of turnout etc.
 
Azoturia

Otherwise known as Equine Rhabdomyolysis you must not move them at all .

if you do they get worse then will go down and die.

There is a lesser serious form of muscle cramping (my mare had this)

Exertional Myopathies in Horses
http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/mus...n_horses/exertional_myopathies_in_horses.html.
A vet must be called to take bloods to determine cause and confirm diagnosis.

With this one they do move , its the muscles that leak cretinaze which leads to Myopathy.

It was due to corn and then a few days in stable due to weather. She started to buck at canter then over the week ahead trot then finally walking she had 3 months off.

I am not convinced this is Azutoria.
Horse apart from the hind is moving to freely in front , IMO This is a hind problem only. Horses with Azutoria start to look fatigued and loose impulsion behind, this horse still looked like he had impulsion propelling him forward.

he has prob had a hooley round the school and tweaked something.

As he is not on grain I would suggest for your sake and his its a lesser form of issue.:)
 
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Thanks for all the advise, vets just been and defo not azoturia as moving to freely in front do at least that's rules out. Bad news is he thinks far too lame to be simply a muscle tweak and something boney going on underneath , didn't want to speculate too much but was hinting around possible chipped femur. Anyway X-rays and scans tomorrow then possible trip up to hospital for more detailed scans if that doesn't show anything. Another sleepless night beckons, made even worse that he's not insured for vets fees. Thanks again got all the advice and support everyone
 
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Thanks for all the advise, vets just been and defo not azoturia as moving to freely in front do at least that's rules out. Bad news is he thinks far too lame to be simply a muscle tweak and something boney going on underneath , didn't want to speculate too much but was hinting around possible chipped femur. Anyway X-rays and scans tomorrow then possible trip up to hospital for more detailed scans if that doesn't show anything. Another sleepless night beckons, made even worse that he's not insured for vets fees. Thanks again got all the advice and support everyone
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Thats good from not being azoturia.

He has had his feet checked for abcess hasn't he? It can make them walk really weirdly - the first one my sister's tb blew it looked like he had dislocated his stifle the way he was trying to walk
 
He put the good testers on briefly but it's definatly high up as he's not too bad in walk on z straight line, but as soon as try turning him which get days puts most strain on thigh and pelvis he's hopping and it's much much worse on that right dide. Sm relieved about the azoturia thing but now more worried he's fractured something , although god only knows how
 
A friends horse moved like this ,he had been turned out the day before to play in the indoor school as field were flooded, it was a pulled ham string correct name is Fibrotic Myopathy, it was high up on the inside of his back leg , it was possible to see a thickened area and feel it ,he had some physio and made a good recovery ,I can recall him going hunting . Please keep us posted ,as to his progress.
 
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Thanks for all the advise, vets just been and defo not azoturia as moving to freely in front do at least that's rules out. Bad news is he thinks far too lame to be simply a muscle tweak and something boney going on underneath , didn't want to speculate too much but was hinting around possible chipped femur. Anyway X-rays and scans tomorrow then possible trip up to hospital for more detailed scans if that doesn't show anything. Another sleepless night beckons, made even worse that he's not insured for vets fees. Thanks again got all the advice and support everyone
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I had a feeling it wasn't Azutoria. Glad I was proved right for your boys sake.:)



did anyone check your horse while he was in the school?? were the skid marks to show he had been running around? The half hour he was in the school to become that lame!! and stiffened over night

Could he had got cast in the night or damaged himself in the stable overnight ?

How was he when you led him back from school? I guess you walked him so might not have notice it too much as not expecting anything wrong.

Sounds to me he was fine the - ok when you led him to school yesterday. Lame today, I would surmise something happened overnight . Check his stable tomorrow see if there are any scrapes on the walls to show he may have got cast.

Looking at him again at walk and trot he isn't bending fetlocks much as he walks seems very stiff. Looks to me loin area or back problems. He could have put his hip out or dislocated something, thats my guess the front picture is hard would be better seeing him from behind.

I know when my back is out it alters my gait a lot cannot even get up off sofa

Fingers crossed its minor strain :)
 
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Also have him stand square on hard surface - have someone hold him and compare his hips and sacrum and bum see if that near hind is lower than the other.
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run your two fingers down his spine see if he hollows away from the pressure.


My mare did when her back out
my boy would not get off hind under him when ridden and was very tight in the sacrum would no give.

turned out his sacrum out again. quick physio, and back right again
 
Thanks leviathan (sorry cant quote on phone) the vet had a good feel down both dudes and I don't think was hugely concerned by that, at least not until turned him in a circle towards the bad side and he practically held it up in the air and hopped around, then also trotted him again which I didn't see ad was
Leading but sounded as bad as yesterday. It's hard to know when he did it, he was def sound Thursday and I think went out in school for brief time Friday but no one said anything so can assume was ok. On sat I only really saw him walk and canter in the school so couldn't say either way, he may have done it then or in the stable. Didn't notice any marks on wall but will check again tomorrow. The vet did day he knew a horse that chipped hid femur and it only showed up on a gamma scan , so tomorrow may tell us nothing at all but just hoping for the sake of my sanity and bank balance it does! Thanks for all the advise, will update everyone when get home tomorrow.
 
Still can't quote! Ok thanks, I had to work all day but vet came and X-rayd stifle, outside of femur, hock and lower leg and found nothing, then did ultrasound around same areas which also clear but only being the portable one can't do the deep tissues. Hoping ruled out major fracture at least but could still potentially chipped something, He's on a week of total box rest and bute and being reassessed in a week, if still very lame then next step would be a gamma bone scan up the hospital, no idea what that is but sounds expensive! Just a waiting game now and keep everything crossed he improves
 
He seemed ok in himself last night, always grouchy anyway so hard to know if any different! On a week of total box rest so won't know til next weds what's happening, although at a cost of around £1000 for this bone scan no idea how will be able to afford it!
 
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