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my horse ducks at owl holes she also ducks with her legs so barely reaches the height, highly dangerous any advice to help her reach the height?
 

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my horse ducks at owl holes she also ducks with her legs so barely reaches the height, highly dangerous any advice to help her reach the height?

@RachelFerd made a brilliant thing to school owl holes so might be able to help
Otherwise, it's really just repetition, starting with lovely wide easy ones
 

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Can you mock up an owl hole at home? It sounds like she needs more practice to improve her confidence. It should be fairly easy to create a hoop to go over a jump using water pipe, or something similar.
 

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my horse ducks at owl holes she also ducks with her legs so barely reaches the height, highly dangerous any advice to help her reach the height?

She’s very, very new to eventing - and this type of fence is a massive ask for a novice. It needs to be introduced sympathetically at home, reducing the height of the hole over time. Starting with no fence, then cross pole etc, etc.
 

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She’s very, very new to eventing - and this type of fence is a massive ask for a novice. It needs to be introduced sympathetically at home, reducing the height of the hole over time. Starting with no fence, then cross pole etc, etc.
It’s in Shelford be90 , imo not a fair question , it’s hard to knock up a hole to introduce slowly , we have done the ones at Somerford which she bravely jumps but only just . Agree totally with what you suggest though thanks
 

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It’s in Shelford be90 , imo not a fair question , it’s hard to knock up a hole to introduce slowly , we have done the ones at Somerford which she bravely jumps but only just . Agree totally with what you suggest though thanks

It’s not particularly unfair question, depending on the experience of the horse.
 

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It’s not particularly unfair question, depending on the experience of the horse.
Apparently there has been several bad accidents William fox Pitt’s for example involving owl holes , having googled it apparently some horses never work out they don’t have to duck , hoping it’s missing from Shelford this year but if it’s not it’s quite kind and very open
 

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Apparently there has been several bad accidents William fox Pitt’s for example involving owl holes , having googled it apparently some horses never work out they don’t have to duck , hoping it’s missing from Shelford this year but if it’s not it’s quite kind and very open

I understand your concern- there's an owl hole in the BE90 at Pontispool this weekend which is making me a bit twitchy. I did school through a couple of easy owl holes but it's the sort of thing that could (quite literally) trip a baby horse up
 

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I appreciate your concerns about owl holes, but the one at Shelford I really wouldn't call an owl hole. The 'roof' is very high, and is only a couple of planks, not a solid roof. The sides are straight too, so the horse has plenty of room widthwise. It's very, very open, both at the sides and the top and I have ridden several green horses through/over it that I might expect to baulk at a 'proper' owl hole, and who, as far as I could tell, have not even noticed the 'roof'.

Fence 16 in this - it doesn't show much of the roof, but it's a long way up, and not solid. The Pontispool one is more of a question.

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My lad has an issue with over hangs outside the stable. He panics in the doorway so has to go in backwards. He loads fine in a trailer. I took him to a trec type thing and we had to go through/under a frame with wriggley things hanging off it. Poor boy did it for me first time then I realised what i was asking him to do. Face his fear of something that close over head. A few weeks ago we did a ODE which had an owl hole. Luckily the roof was fairly high. I must admit I did wonder if he would do it and bless him he did.
 

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A lot of its in how you approach it. Should be done in a powerful sjing canter rather than xc more open canter. It helps the horse have time then. The one I have doesn’t duck if more natural and hedge like. Only if it’s more like a building.
 

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I appreciate your concerns about owl holes, but the one at Shelford I really wouldn't call an owl hole. The 'roof' is very high, and is only a couple of planks, not a solid roof. The sides are straight too, so the horse has plenty of room widthwise. It's very, very open, both at the sides and the top and I have ridden several green horses through/over it that I might expect to baulk at a 'proper' owl hole, and who, as far as I could tell, have not even noticed the 'roof'.

Fence 16 in this - it doesn't show much of the roof, but it's a long way up, and not solid. The Pontispool one is more of a question.

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I was more worried about this last years Shelford 1 be 90’s last fence

happily from the jumps description for Saturday it looks like it might be owl hole free
 

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I was more worried about this last years Shelford 1 be 90’s last fence

happily from the jumps description for Saturday it looks like it might be owl hole free

It's the same fence! They just sloped the brush up at the sides a bit last year. Honestly, sit up, hold your horse together on approach so that it jumps from its hocks, and leg on. The more you build it up in your head as a problem, the more it will become one.
 

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It's the same fence! They just sloped the brush up at the sides a bit last year. Honestly, sit up, hold your horse together on approach so that it jumps from its hocks, and leg on. The more you build it up in your head as a problem, the more it will become one.
Luckily I’m not the rider but she will duck , Be2 last year they removed the owl hole bit and just had it as a brush so I’m hopeful it will be just the brush .
 

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I built one using guttering which I can velcro to a showjump. I dangle stuff from it (taped on) to make it extra spooky. Repetition has solved the problem for mine - he will now jump through relatively normally, but I do have to repeat every now and then. He was initially absolutely terrifying, dropping his neck and legs. Took about 20 attempts to get through the smallest one at Somerford... Now not too terrified when I come across them at novice/2* now we've done our homework! I have pics if you need some inspiration!
 

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I built one using guttering which I can velcro to a showjump. I dangle stuff from it (taped on) to make it extra spooky. Repetition has solved the problem for mine - he will now jump through relatively normally, but I do have to repeat every now and then. He was initially absolutely terrifying, dropping his neck and legs. Took about 20 attempts to get through the smallest one at Somerford... Now not too terrified when I come across them at novice/2* now we've done our homework! I have pics if you need some inspiration!
Yes please rachelferd thank you so much what a brilliant idea
 

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Yes please rachelferd thank you so much what a brilliant idea

Sorry, forgot to do this - it features in this video:


3 pieces of guttering, 2 corner pieces of guttering, 4 velcro hook and loop straps, and some cheap flappy bits of banner taped on to give it horrible visuals. Total cost about £50 and can be put up and down in about 5 minutes!
 

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Sorry, forgot to do this - it features in this video:


3 pieces of guttering, 2 corner pieces of guttering, 4 velcro hook and loop straps, and some cheap flappy bits of banner taped on to give it horrible visuals. Total cost about £50 and can be put up and down in about 5 minutes!
Brilliant I need to go shopping looks really good thank you so much
 

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I suppose the rider could just not jump it if the aim is just to give the horse a non competitive run.


I don't think you can deliberately miss out a fence and continue on the course BE.

I missed one by accident once and finished the course before anyone could stop me, (fell off two fences later and gave up!) but I think it's against the rules.

I've never had a horse have an owl hole problem, thankfully.
 

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I don't think you can deliberately miss out a fence and continue on the course BE.

I missed one by accident once and finished the course before anyone could stop me, (fell off two fences later and gave up!) but I think it's against the rules.

I've never had a horse have an owl hole problem, thankfully.
No unfortunately you can’t you would be pulled up and have to walk home .
 
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