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Feel free to shoot me down but to me it seems that extremely anti-hunting people are being somewhat hypocritical frequenting a forum that is run by the most pro-hunting publication in the UK. It just seems very very bizarre to me when people come onto a forum like this and spout anti-hunt stuff. Not prompted by any particular post, its just something that bugs me. And for those who say that there is a lot of information that has nothing to do with hunting, yes there is but there are also a lot more forums out there with the same amount of information on which may be more inline with these people's beliefs.

(I'm not talking about people who have genuine questions and want to learn, I'm talking about those 'its my way or the highway' people).
 

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The beauty of HHO is that there are all types of people on here with a range of views and we don't all have to be fluffy and lovely like other forums
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It is a forum - which as a medium tends to lend itself to debating, amongst other things. As long as people can form a cohesive arguement or make new and interesting points it shouldn't matter which side of the fence they sit on this or any other subject
 

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As long as people can form a cohesive arguement or make new and interesting points it shouldn't matter which side of the fence they sit on this or any other subject

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I have yet to hear a cohesive arguement from the anti hunt brigade.

I'm with Kate on this one, it would be like a Communist posting questions on a Capitalist website, they just wouldn't.
 

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It would be like being anti-bullfighting and then going onto a bullfighting forum to talk horses. You just wouldn't because you don't support it. Same as I don't go on the PETA forums (if there are any, I've no idea) as I don't support them.
 

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Where would the fun be if we all had the same views...

I used to go on the ALF forum, before I was banned, and although they were all mental and I didnt agree with anyone there, it was very interesting...
 

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I come on this forum as it about horses as far as I am concerned. Just because the mag has the name it does doesn't mean people who don't agree with hunting shouldn't be allowed?!

If that is the case then the assumption is made that all horse riders/owners partake in hunting or are pro-hunting which simply isn't true. There are many other aspects of horsemanship not related to hunting and there are many more issues covered in H&H that do not relate to hunting.

I don't think having an attitude of "if you don't like hunting you shouldn't be in our 'gang'" is particularly productive.

I don't read magazines or frequent sites relating to say football, fishing, shooting, golf, car racing etc etc BUT as I have horses, compete in horse events etc then surely I am justified taking part in discussions on a horse forum?! Just because I don't agree with one particular aspect doesn't mean I have less right to be here!

The point is people have different opinions and a forum is there so you can voice them.
 

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I come on this forum as it about horses as far as I am concerned. Just because the mag has the name it does doesn't mean people who don't agree with hunting shouldn't be allowed?!

If that is the case then the assumption is made that all horse riders/owners partake in hunting or are pro-hunting which simply isn't true. There are many other aspects of horsemanship not related to hunting and there are many more issues covered in H&H that do not relate to hunting.

I don't think having an attitude of "if you don't like hunting you shouldn't be in our 'gang'" is particularly productive.

I don't read magazines or frequent sites relating to say football, fishing, shooting, golf, car racing etc etc BUT as I have horses, compete in horse events etc then surely I am justified taking part in discussions on a horse forum?! Just because I don't agree with one particular aspect doesn't mean I have less right to be here!

The point is people have different opinions and a forum is there so you can voice them.

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Just need to know if I should put you on my list...

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I must say it doesn't sound very friendly.
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Personally, I'm pro hunt, but I have plenty of friends who aren't and although I don't agree with their views, I respect their right to their own opinions. I don't think it is strange at all that people who don't support hunting come on here - after all it must be the biggest UK-based equestrian forum and there is a huge wealth of information on here, which horse-owners of all types will want to access. The references to hunting on here are few and far between in comparison to the posts on veterinary, stable management etc.
 

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Oh don't worry TGM you are not on the list
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and it's not so much unfriendly as informative.

I also have friends who are anti hunt, actually the vast majority of my friends are anti hunt (mainly due to a severe lack of education, bless). One of which used to sab with her mother and her mother boyfriend. Sometimes the topic is raised over dinner and it always makes me chortle, they crap they come out with is so ill informed, I try to correct them but they have pro hunt cotton wool blocks in their ears.

The point of the matter though is that they DO NOT post on a HHO, the mere sight of the HH magazine makes them grimace. They are true anti hunt, they don't have a fence between their legs.
 

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I don't take part in hunting, I don't agree with killing another animal for 'sport' or fun but I understand the tradition of it. I also don't agree with hunt saboteurs acting with violence against any huntsperson, dog or horse. The dog is doing what comes naturally to it after all.

I live in hunting country and I do like the sight of seeing the hunt out and I know a lot of the time they don't catch anything anyway. As I have said previously I don't believe hounds could catch a healthy fox and a fox being killed by hounds is no different than a fox killing its prey. However, i think the interference of people in making sure the fox IS caught is what gets me really. I have an old college friend who works for one hunt. I saw a picture of his of what I can only assume is where they have actually dug a fox up (they have hold of it and you can see what they have been doing). That is NOT right in my opinion and is not fair. That fox had got away so that's how it should be left.

And yes I did tell said friend I thought that was disgusting. Feel free to oput me on your list PrincessSparkle if you so wish.
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And another one for the list...gosh it's getting rather long
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Just a thought, might this sort of attitude contribute to anti hunt feeling
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And another one for the list...gosh it's getting rather long
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Just a thought, might this sort of attitude contribute to anti hunt feeling
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Personally I think H&H magazine and the Horse & Hound forum are very different in content. The balance in the magazine is very much hunting orientated, plus lots of competition reports, and not that much in the way of practical information. In the forum, however, there is much more in the way of practical information and very little hunting stuff - I know there are loads of users on here who have never bought or read the Horse & Hound magazine.

Also the forum is free to use, whereas you have to pay for the magazine - so I can understand anti-hunt people with very strong views not wanting to contribute financially towards a hunting publication, but if they happen to be keen horse-owners would still want to take advantage of the vast resources available on the forum.
 

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I also have friends who are anti hunt, actually the vast majority of my friends are anti hunt (mainly due to a severe lack of education, bless). One of which used to sab with her mother and her mother boyfriend. Sometimes the topic is raised over dinner and it always makes me chortle, they crap they come out with is so ill informed, I try to correct them but they have pro hunt cotton wool blocks in their ears.

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It is exactly this kind of attitude that can make people unsympathetic to hunting. The fact that somebody does not agree with you does not make them wrong. You may believe that you are better informed on the subject but that does not necessarily make you right - there are no rights or wrongs here, just beliefs, traditions and different ways of doing things.
 

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And another one for the list...gosh it's getting rather long
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Just a thought, might this sort of attitude contribute to anti hunt feeling
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......look, if you're not on someones list, then you havn't made it....
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I'm sure I'm on hundreds of lists I dont know about.
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It is exactly this kind of attitude that can make people unsympathetic to hunting.



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Really? I was always lead to believe it was the fox killing that upset them, you reckon if I hugged them, told them it would all be ok and I understood that they would come out cubbing with me?

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The fact that somebody does not agree with you does not make them wrong.

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Well it does make them wrong in my eyes, I don't agree with them and what they believe and what they do so I think they are wrong.

I think what they do is wrong and I think they need reducated.

I feel that same way about Rascist/Nazi's/Robert Mugagbe/etc are you saying that they are not infact wrong, just that we have a differing opinion on what is and isn't ok to kill?
 

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I also have friends who are anti hunt, actually the vast majority of my friends are anti hunt (mainly due to a severe lack of education, bless).

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Interesting take on the world you have
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So if being anti-hunt is simply due to ignorance then how come I'm anti-hunt.
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Really? I was always lead to believe it was the fox killing that upset them, you reckon if I hugged them, told them it would all be ok and I understood that they would come out cubbing with me?

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The fact that somebody does not agree with you does not make them wrong.

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Well it does make them wrong in my eyes, I don't agree with them and what they believe and what they do so I think they are wrong.

I think what they do is wrong and I think they need reducated.



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Oh good grief
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a sensible comment Mother_hen

I'm anti hunt but i stay out of the hunting forum and i do usually try to stay out of any hunting debates (last night was an exception). I enjoy seeing pictures of people out hunting on their horses doing what they love.

But mostly, i come on here because i'm otherwise away from the horsey world at the moment and HHO is the best forum i've found for horsey info, interesting debates and sometimes just a good chat about something pointless. It is mostly full of nice people, willing to help, have a laugh and sometimes have a good debate. It would be a shame if only people who were actively pro hunt were allowed on imo.
 

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Really? I was always lead to believe it was the fox killing that upset them, you reckon if I hugged them, told them it would all be ok and I understood that they would come out cubbing with me?

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The fact that somebody does not agree with you does not make them wrong.

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Well it does make them wrong in my eyes, I don't agree with them and what they believe and what they do so I think they are wrong.

I think what they do is wrong and I think they need reducated.



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Oh good grief
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What is so 'good grief' about that? Right and wrong are always opinions. They only aren't in facts. I am pro-hunting and therefore disagree with the anti-hunt people. Whether hunting is right or wrong is down to individual's opinions so yes.... the anti-hunt people are wrong to me. And visa-versa, I am wrong to them. Don't know how you can 'good grief' that, its the way the world works.

Or shall we all skip off to fluffy bunny land now where everybody is right and nobody disagrees? My point is that surely this is a forum run by a pro-hunting publication... so by coming on here even if you disagree you should respect the fact that it is pro-hunt.
 

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Really? I was always lead to believe it was the fox killing that upset them, you reckon if I hugged them, told them it would all be ok and I understood that they would come out cubbing with me?

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The fact that somebody does not agree with you does not make them wrong.

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Well it does make them wrong in my eyes, I don't agree with them and what they believe and what they do so I think they are wrong.

I think what they do is wrong and I think they need reducated.



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Oh good grief
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What is so 'good grief' about that? Right and wrong are always opinions. They only aren't in facts. I am pro-hunting and therefore disagree with the anti-hunt people. Whether hunting is right or wrong is down to individual's opinions so yes.... the anti-hunt people are wrong to me. And visa-versa, I am wrong to them. Don't know how you can 'good grief' that, its the way the world works.

Or shall we all skip off to fluffy bunny land now where everybody is right and nobody disagrees? My point is that surely this is a forum run by a pro-hunting publication... so by coming on here even if you disagree you should respect the fact that it is pro-hunt.

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Her attitude was very immature. I respect peoples opinions, just because I don't agree with them doesnt mean I think they "lack education" or need re educated. And opinions cant really be right or wrong, in my opinion
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Tbh H&H is a bit weak as a hunting magazine these days, not enough in it
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I have to say in my own personal experience though 99% of anti-hunt people are anti-hunt because they aren't educated. Quite a few have been turned after they've heard more facts and then there are the ones that just don't believe any animal should ever die for any purpose and you can't talk to them because they truly do live in fluffy bunny land. So I'd certainly say that a lot of people who are anti-hunt do need re-educating.
 

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Her attitude was very immature. I respect peoples opinions, just because I don't agree with them doesnt mean I think they "lack education" or need re educated. And opinions cant really be right or wrong, in my opinion
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Tbh H&H is a bit weak as a hunting magazine these days, not enough in it
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Don't assume I'm a she, good grief talk about sterotyping pro hunting horse riders. You read my response as immature as that is how you wanted to read it, my point regarding re eductaion was tongue in cheek, as I already said most of my friends are anti, you really think I'd be mates with them if I truely felt they needed re educated?

I really don't understand this arguement of opinions not being right or wrong, how you feel about something is what makes it right or wrong. Geneocide is wrong, in my opinion, most people agree with this, that is there opinion. There are a few that think it is right, that is their opinion. So are you saying that geneocide is not wrong, it's a really just a matter of opinion?
 

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Feel free to shoot me down but to me it seems that extremely anti-hunting people are being somewhat hypocritical frequenting a forum that is run by the most pro-hunting publication in the UK.

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I sincerely hope you are joking!
H & H is absolutely pathetic with the hunting coverage considering the long history behind the magazine and is the reason I cancelled my subscription because of the poor (read absolutely dismal) hunting coverage and features; they are just not interested in it at all whatever Lucy H says.
The old editors would be turning in their graves to see what it's come down to nowadays. There are much better hunting magazines out there than H & H, believe me.
 

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I drag hunt. I don't support fox hunting, it is not the kill, it is the chase I can't stomach.

So, unlike may pro hunt people, I actually hunt regularly, albeit with a long established drag pack.

Does that mean I am allowed on your forum? Oh I forgot, it is not your forum, it's open to everyone.
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Her attitude was very immature. I respect peoples opinions, just because I don't agree with them doesnt mean I think they "lack education" or need re educated. And opinions cant really be right or wrong, in my opinion
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Tbh H&H is a bit weak as a hunting magazine these days, not enough in it
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Don't assume I'm a she, good grief talk about sterotyping pro hunting horse riders. You read my response as immature as that is how you wanted to read it, my point regarding re eductaion was tongue in cheek, as I already said most of my friends are anti, you really think I'd be mates with them if I truely felt they needed re educated?

I really don't understand this arguement of opinions not being right or wrong, how you feel about something is what makes it right or wrong. Geneocide is wrong, in my opinion, most people agree with this, that is there opinion. There are a few that think it is right, that is their opinion. So are you saying that geneocide is not wrong, it's a really just a matter of opinion?

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I assumed you were female due to your name being princess sparkle
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But I am happy to be proved wrong
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genocide is a crime so saying it is wrong, is technically fact. Not opinion,
 
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