Horse Prices BE v BSJA v BD

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Which type of horse do you think is worth the most amount of money? You've got a straight forward non quirky horse that is easy to ride so do you think it would be worth more if it had done some BE, BSJA or BD? I apologise to dressage people as i'm not too sure of the order of classes.
 
I voted BSJA because I know the prices that BSJA horses bring, but I dont really know about BD and BE so could be wrong!

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I think for the first two you're likely to pay most for an eventer. On the basis that any horse should do prelim and get a decent score if it's reasonably well schooled, BN should be well within most horse's scope but BE intro seems to be what lots of people aim for and are happy sticking with.
Intermediate level, I suppose it depends on potential to go to the next grade here but I'd also expect the evnter to make the most- you find some pretty cheap fox horses and can pick up an ok medium horse for not too much but I doubt you'd find a horse that jumps clear round ints for less than 10k.
At the top level, I'd say dressage horses and sjers make the most, not sure of precise figures but you rarely see evtners at the top-notch prices.
 
For Olympic standard I voted BSJA as the prize winnings are more realisitic and hence the horse should hva emore on its card and be worth more. Dressage horses as a rule tend to fetch more money though
 
Well, my answers were BD, BSJA and BSJA...

I don't think Eventers make huge money (relatively speaking!), but BD horses do command a lot, especially at the low/medium levels. I always (probably wrongly!) think that this is because dressage is a discipline that is attainable to so many more people, and appeals to the more 'mature' rider who probably is better off financially.

I put BSJA for the 2nd category, but only because a horse that has it's Fox DC's is a decent horse. I don't really know the levels in dressage but I guess it would still be a close call between BD / BSJA.

At the highest levels, I think just in terms of pure numbers of horses sold for silly £££'s then it has to be SJ'ers. There is just more money in the sport of SJ'ing than any other discipline (except racing of course
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imo you cant compare the disciplines as it all comes down to breeding, people pay high prices for a well bred horse, regardless of what its done, if the breeding is there they'l pay it.

I think most horses can get 65% at affliated prelim dressage if theyve had some good schooling somewhere along the line. However going round an intro is a whole different ball game - my Archie could go out and do a prelim and get over 65%, but theres no way he'd get round an intro course!
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I agree - a horse that consistently jumps double clears fox is a good horse. Ours has now got 6 double clears in fox in a few outings and we have been offered quite a bit of money for him
 
I think to make it more comparable, in the first section the BD horse should be Medium and in the second section PSG.

This is because EVERY horse should be able to get 65% at prelim. If someone told me that they had done a prelim and got 65%, my honest reaction would be "what went wrong", I wouldn't be impressed!! However I would be impressed if someone said that their horse got around an intro simply because it is not something every horse can do. Therefore the dressage category should be comparable and I think Medium is the first level that some horses just can't do........below that imho if the horse can't do it it is the riders fault rather than the horse can not!!!

ETA: If the catergories were changed to this I would vote BD for all.
 
I did BE BE BD - i read it as competing at (with some success and i did not consider the potential to go up, because you can't answer the question realistically otherwise, ie. a TOP horse competing at prelim with scope to be world class is worth more than a nice medium horse)
Because I figured that to do BE intro a horse would have to be prelim / bn level equivelent anyway,
Pretty much the same reason for intermediate. I think doing BE intermediate, horse of that calibre would be able to pull together a medium, and get round a foxhunter, better than the others if they all switched roles (am i making sense?) lol
Errr and I put BD because i think a top class BD horse (escapado/ub40 etc) will set you back more than a TOP jumper because there are less TOP class horses to pick from in dressage IMO - you would be lucky to find a horse already working PSG capable of WORLD CLASS dressage for less that 100k i would think.
Whereas i think it is more likely (though not easy) to find a horse jumping grade a's and maybe IT's with scope to go further for less than that.
 
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Errr and I put BD because i think a top class BD horse (escapado/ub40 etc) will set you back more than a TOP jumper because there are less TOP class horses to pick from in dressage IMO - you would be lucky to find a horse already working PSG capable of WORLD CLASS dressage for less that 100k i would think.
Whereas i think it is more likely (though not easy) to find a horse jumping grade a's and maybe IT's with scope to go further for less than that.

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World Class Showjumping horses are sold for a LOT more than £100K!!
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There have been a few SJers sold for a million I thought, Top Gun, John Renwicks grey horse went for a lot.

I did apologise for the BD classifications not being right however I think that any horse should be able to do BN or Intro - it's only 3 feet, depends if they have got the right attitude at that level not talent.

A nice PN horse will go for about £9k which is what I would value a 1.20 horse at.
 
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Errr and I put BD because i think a top class BD horse (escapado/ub40 etc) will set you back more than a TOP jumper because there are less TOP class horses to pick from in dressage IMO - you would be lucky to find a horse already working PSG capable of WORLD CLASS dressage for less that 100k i would think.
Whereas i think it is more likely (though not easy) to find a horse jumping grade a's and maybe IT's with scope to go further for less than that.

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World Class Showjumping horses are sold for a LOT more than £100K!!
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Absolutely.....add a zero (at least)
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There have been a few SJers sold for a million I thought, Top Gun, John Renwicks grey horse went for a lot.

I did apologise for the BD classifications not being right however I think that any horse should be able to do BN or Intro - it's only 3 feet, depends if they have got the right attitude at that level not talent.

A nice PN horse will go for about £9k which is what I would value a 1.20 horse at.

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My ex-trainer sold a 6yo to the states in 1981 for more than £100k...it had jumped the Foxhunter final though lol!

I think Locarno was being touted around the £600k mark when there was a dispute over his ownership, and didn't It's Magix Max once sell for nearly a million !? The likes of Arko and Shutterfly would probably go for a couple of million now if they were ever sold
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Ooops I wasn't thinking when I ticked the last box - showjumpers always seem to fetch megabucks at Olympic level.

Anyway, tis encouraging for me who has a PN/N horse that I will be selling next year - unless I win lotto and can afford to ship her to NZ with me! I decided recently not to bother doing BSJA next year and just concentrate on BE and WH so its good to see that her consistant eventing will stand her in good stead.
 
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If you want to be pedantic then technically racehorses are prob worth the most.
However, look at the question in another way, lets control the variables...

AN UNKNOWN horse, ridden by an UNKNOWN rider but is clearly of OLYMPIC quality/standard... IMO a dressage horse will be worth more.

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BE, BE then BD as I know how much it costs to buy a purely 'ok' Olympic level grand prix dressage horse (think not last but far from first and borderline worthy of qualifying for Special) and its a lot more than the figures I have heard for Showjumpers although they are not 'that' far behind in general!

More scary is a friend's dad bought her a 4yo for in the region of £500k at auction granted it is very very special and she is a very good rider and they have done very well but the price tag especially for what was a 4yo scares me!
 
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I did apologise for the BD classifications not being right however I think that any horse should be able to do BN or Intro - it's only 3 feet, depends if they have got the right attitude at that level not talent.

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Yes, I agee that talent also shouldn't come into Intro/BN but attitude does (may not be bold enough xc or careful enough sj) whereas up to medium dressage i don't think attitude even plays that much of a part because usually bad attitude's don't surface until the horse either finds the work difficult or really takes issue with it and i really don't think that there is much in prelim, novice and elem for the horse to find hard or take issue with (but eventing for eg there is something for the horse to simply refuse to do if it is not brave xc)!
Obviously rideabilty is desired in young dressage horses but I don't think it affects them at the lower levels like it does the others - in dressage horses rideability is more from the future!

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A nice PN horse will go for about £9k which is what I would value a 1.20 horse at.

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IMO in dressage for £9k you'd get a normal horse competing up the levels but that won't necessarily make the top levels, prob competing elem!

For a horse with good breeding and the potential to go GP i think you'd have to do better than £9k. I'd value a well bred 3 year old dressage horse that has done nothing but has bags of potential at £12 - £15k


It depends SO much if this is a normal horse at that level that prob won't go much further or a top horse just starting out!

Eg. A RC elem horse that may do med, will get to regionals but prob won't get through I would value at £5,000
A top class youngster doing Elem that will get through regionals have good shot at national title and at this point in time looks set to go all the way, I think would fetch £30,000
 
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I think to make it more comparable, in the first section the BD horse should be Medium and in the second section PSG.

This is because EVERY horse should be able to get 65% at prelim. If someone told me that they had done a prelim and got 65%, my honest reaction would be "what went wrong", I wouldn't be impressed!! However I would be impressed if someone said that their horse got around an intro simply because it is not something every horse can do. Therefore the dressage category should be comparable and I think Medium is the first level that some horses just can't do........below that imho if the horse can't do it it is the riders fault rather than the horse can not!!!

ETA: If the catergories were changed to this I would vote BD for all.

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I don't agree with this! As DD said, Intro and BN should be within the capabilities of any horse. Although you say it comes down to attitude, so does dressage.

Just as any horse well trained would be obedient and capable of low level xc and SJ, a well trained horse could also do low level dressage; however just as some horses don't have the attitude for sj or xc, some don't have the attitude for dressage!

Anyway I voted BE, BE, BSJA.
 
I fianlly watched the world cup class at Olympia last night and the commentators were talking about the horse Oki Doki - the guy was offered 4 million euros for him - thats £2.75m and he turned it down. Think Showjumpers might be the most expensive
 
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I fianlly watched the world cup class at Olympia last night and the commentators were talking about the horse Oki Doki - the guy was offered 4 million euros for him - thats £2.75m and he turned it down. Think Showjumpers might be the most expensive

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Totally agree!
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I fianlly watched the world cup class at Olympia last night and the commentators were talking about the horse Oki Doki - the guy was offered 4 million euros for him - thats £2.75m and he turned it down. Think Showjumpers might be the most expensive

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