How cute! Coloured TB foal

Enfys

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Awww what a cutie! I want to know what hes gona be called!

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Pound Sign, quite obvious.

Keeping him entire, rare coloured TB? How could they fail to fill his books when he goes to stud? If he races the Bookies will love him too, because punters out for a bit of fun will pick him just because he's different.
 

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"I didn't think you could get coloured TBs - just shows how much I know!!!"

Techincally, you can't!
If he's by I Was Framed, his grandmammy and great grandpappy were quarter horses!
 

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She's behind you... heh heh heh!!!
Local stud has a homozygous coloured colt whose offspring can be registered to race...I asked them as I thought they were first to breed a near as dammit coloured TB and this is what they said...

"We have bred the first coloured 7/8th TB that is Homozygous he is to be registered with Weatherbys Ntr and we bred colour to colour Mum and Dad. The Homozygous is not possible from I Was Framed and TB mares in this country as there are no pure TB mares in the uk that are coloured yet. This is very difficult to do, it does mean that when our foal is old enough we can cover pure TB mares of any colour and guarantee coloured.

We have to breed a further 6 generations from the mare and stallion to get in to the main stud book.

Thank you for getting in touch but we have two different things we have the first Homozygous colt"
 

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cute foal - ALL foals are cute

but as for coloured - YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK

I thought at least the TB industry would stop going gaga like it appears the rest of the horse world over piebalds and skewbalds

I think personally that it is revolting

(waiting for incoming flak)
 

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sorry - i think i have missed something.... is I Was Framed 100% tb or have they snuck some QH or something in down the generations to make him that colour? Or is a genetic freak?

can someone enlighten me please...?

I was always really pleased thet the Tb industry had stayed away from the 'coloured horse madness'... such a pity they have given into fashion....
 

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how then can this horse be registered as pure TB and with Weatherby's?
Bx

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A horse doesnt have to be 100% TB to be registered with Weatherbys, and race.
If you wanted you could put a Welsh A mare to Saddlers Wells (good luck with the nomination!), register it in the non thoroughbred register, and run it in a race, be in flat, jumps or point to point.
Our founding mare was unregistered. She was covered by a tb and her first foal won 27 races. That mare then produced the winners of over 200 races. 2 generations they rpoduced the winner of the champion hurdle, the foals of her foals will be full TBs.
 

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because there are too many stallions standing (and mares used for breeding) merely because they are 'coloured' and there doesn't seem to be as much 'performance grading' of stallions and mares for 'coloured' breeding as there is for 'normal' horses. I firmly believe that horses should not be used for breeding - either mares or stallions - unless they have passed an independent grading. All 3 of my mares are graded andmy stallion was also formally graded.

I'm also a bit of a fan of Arab and Anglo arab horses - and these tend to be labelled 'poodles' because they are Arab - seeing 'no use' for them in reality.

So if an arab can be labelled a useless poodle merely because it is an arab - then why should a horse be labelled fantastic merely because it is black or brown and white ?

To quote Star Trek - it is illogical !!!
 

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Agree with that, no animal should be used for breeding unless it is going to improve stock.

ETS- you cant beat a good arab!
 

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because there are too many stallions standing (and mares used for breeding) merely because they are 'coloured' and there doesn't seem to be as much 'performance grading' of stallions and mares for 'coloured' breeding as there is for 'normal' horses. I firmly believe that horses should not be used for breeding - either mares or stallions - unless they have passed an independent grading. All 3 of my mares are graded andmy stallion was also formally graded.

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Thank you, there are a lot of opportunists "studs" springing up advertising their stallions, I agree. If these stallions were solid coloured cobs or RC horses noone would have a second look!
**Runs and hides as suspects Airedale would hit her if she knew Prittstick really really wanted a Pintarabian!**
 

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There must be something other than TB in the previous generations somewhere. It will be WEIRD to see coloured horses racing, but the general public will love it!

Airedale I agree with you about Britsh breeding. I sometimes feel like I am the only person that doesn't have a huge imported warmblood. What wrong with an elegant TB? We should all try and buy British as much as possible for everything, fruit, veg etc!
 

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Why can't you just be happy with the fact that most WB's have british TB in their genes, one of the most famous being Ladykiller. It would be nice to breed from graded mares & stallions, but that is not going to happen unless there is more incentive to do so. I have in the past had a mare graded but I am not going to bother with the expense for a one off. Sas is not graded, but I am very happy with her son. He moves well, has a temperment to die for and a pedigree that can be traced back over 10 generations. If I had traced Mo's breeding then I would have had a go at grading her, perhaps I will see what she produces.
 

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He may be the first BRITISH coloured TB but there are plenty of other coloured TB's in the world. There are a couple of breeders specialising in them in Canada alone, and I've seen others from the US and Australia. The breeders I know of here are breeding more for sport but an American coloured stallion Puchilingui did race.

Ive Been Framed is indeed a TB, not a QH, if we are to believe what's been reported. In this day and age it's very easy to verify that sort of thing with DNA so I doubt the breeders or the press would have much to gain by lying about it if that's the implication.

As to the spontaneous appearance of "colour" it does happen. The belief that there must be "something else" was pretty much shot down when the "white rule" was struck down in the AQHA. It had been the assertion that any QH showing colour must not be full QH (which includes the whole Appendix/Tb add ins) and could not get papers but had to go off and be a Paint. DNA proved that the coloured horses were who they said they were and the rule is off the books now.

Some applicable sites:

http://www.thethoroughbredmagazine.com/rarecolouredTBs.html
http://www.angelfire.com/on3/TrueColoursFarm/Cool_and_Unusual_Thoroughbreds.html (coincidentally, I just realised a horse I rode a bit, Pleasure Prince, is on this list!)
 
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