How does dormosedan work?

[Equi]

My little 14yo gelding needs knocked out for the dentist or he will become very violent. Under sedation he is fine but to have a call out and sedate for one teeny pony is a big expense lol the usual place i go can sedate and EDT at the clinic but at the moment they want owners to stay in the cars then let them take over unloading/handling which is totally understandable but he really is a weird pony and i can't 100% say he won't just say "you're a stranger, no" and take a hissy fit with his front legs at any point during it all. I absolutely do not want anyone getting injured by him, him breaking himself or him breaking any equipment. He also doesn't travel well so would need a companion and thats another pony for them to have to handle who won't be getting treated. Getting vet out to jab and leave will be fine and then EDT come in when hes spacey - but should i possibly try dormosedan? Last time he was sedated he sweated buckets literally dripping in sweat so i am not sure how i felt about it all. I have never used dormosedan before so i don't know how/what it actually works like. I know the under the tongue thing and i am guessing about 2ml would knock him on his back but how long would it last?

 

[doodle]

I have used it to clip Robin. It is strong stuff! Acp dosnt touch him but this worked very similarly to vet sedation. It lasted a couple of hours if I remember right. It is very expensive though.

 

[Equi]

I have used it to clip Robin. It is strong stuff! Acp dosnt touch him but this worked very similarly to vet sedation. It lasted a couple of hours if I remember right. It is very expensive though.

How much approx? If it was similar to IV i would just do that, but i was maybe hoping to cut out the call out lol but whatever needs done needs done.

 

[ycbm]

It is slow to kick in and you need to give every bit you expect to need right up front. You can't top it up, it takes too long to work. You can put it on any mucus membranes, guns, tongue, whatever. I prefer to smear it on gums and give no possibility of it being spat out or bitten.

He would need to be tiny for 2ml to be enough. I gave a full syringe to my 600kg TB to be PTS and it only just did the trick. I was told to give 2ml to a 34 inch mini for the dentist. I can't say how it works, I sold her before it was needed.

 

[doodle]

From memory it was over £40. I decided not worth it and worked on him being happy to clip. I can’t remember how much is in the syringe so not sure if 2 mls enough. Robin at 650 had the full syringe and was almost on the floor he was so out of it.

 

[Equi]

It is slow to kick in and you need to give every bit you expect to need right up front. You can't top it up, it takes too long to work. You can put it on any mucus membranes, guns, tongue, whatever. I prefer to smear it on gums and give no possibility of it being spat out or bitten.

He would need to be tiny for 2ml to be enough. I gave a full syringe to my 600kg TB to be PTS and it only just did the trick. I was told to give 2ml to a 34 inch mini for the dentist. I can't say how it works, I sold her before it was needed.

He is exactly 34" When you were advised that was it to take the edge off or to knock them out? I would -like- to have him at the point he can be done with less and less and im hoping a new female EDT will help on that journey but i always have to think of safety first with him.

 

[Chinchilla]

I can't remember the exact dosing but it does say on it how much to give and is pretty easy to administer. It's done by the animal's weight.

Sweating under sedation, any sedation, is absolutely normal.

 

[doodle]

Viovet has it was £43. But you also need a prescription. So I would imagine vets will be over £50

 

[ycbm]

He is exactly 34" When you were advised that was it to take the edge off or to knock them out? I would -like- to have him at the point he can be done with less and less and im hoping a new female EDT will help on that journey but i always have to think of safety first with him.

Take the edge off a little mare who was pretty reluctant to have her teeth rasped. Had to be backed into a corner and forcibly restrained there. I wasn't prepared to do it again.
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[Elno]

Mine gets 2.75 ml for the farrier. She weights about 480-500 kg. You need to administer it in a calm enviroment 30-45 minutes before the procedure, otherwise there's a chance it won't work.

 

[criso]

I use Domosedan for clipping and give a whole syringe to a 525kg tb, I tried adjusting for his weight but didn't work as well. He sweats with it so need to get the sweaty bits done before they are unclippable.

It's good, much better than ACP or Sedalin but not perfect, mine can moments where he fights it and has a moment. Fine for clipping but not for teeth which are a much bigger deal for him. There was an incident where luckily I spotted something in his eyes and told the dentist get out of the way just before he went up boxing with his front legs.

Now I get the vet out to sedate and he does his teeth and jabs on one visit so doesn't cost any more.

For clipping I persuade the vet to give me a prescription for a few tubes and it's £26 from Petdrugs online.

 

[Equi]

Im thinking going with the vet is the best in this situation. If it didn't work it would be a waste and again i don't want any injuries. My EDT said they will ask what dose he is given and record it, then next time maybe try a smaller dose..will see what happens. Fingers crossed lol

 

[ownedbyaconnie]

Think it was £60 when I got it from the vets. I used it once to clip because she desperately needed clipping and I had been told she was good to clip which she most definitely wasn’t! So sedated to get her comfortable for the winter and then spent that winter getting her comfortable with clippers and happily no longer needed!

I found my horse sweated up a lot and personally wouldn’t use it again if I could avoid it and definitely not for the dentist. For dentist I would either have proper sedation from a vet or work with a very sympathetic EDT to not require sedation. I’ve seen horses freak out when they’re a bit sedated but not quite enough and it’s not pretty. I also don’t think it’s fair to expect someone to put their arm in a horses mouth knowing the horse will react and potentially not properly sedated. My EDT refuses to do horses she knows react badly unless they have been sedated by a vet and vet present. She’s told me horror stories of horses going up with arms inside the gag and some nasty bone breaks so I think fair enough!

 

[Equi]

Think it was £60 when I got it from the vets. I used it once to clip because she desperately needed clipping and I had been told she was good to clip which she most definitely wasn’t! So sedated to get her comfortable for the winter and then spent that winter getting her comfortable with clippers and happily no longer needed!

I found my horse sweated up a lot and personally wouldn’t use it again if I could avoid it and definitely not for the dentist. For dentist I would either have proper sedation from a vet or work with a very sympathetic EDT to not require sedation. I’ve seen horses freak out when they’re a bit sedated but not quite enough and it’s not pretty. I also don’t think it’s fair to expect someone to put their arm in a horses mouth knowing the horse will react and potentially not properly sedated. My EDT refuses to do horses she knows react badly unless they have been sedated by a vet and vet present. She’s told me horror stories of horses going up with arms inside the gag and some nasty bone breaks so I think fair enough!

Yeah absolutely! The first time i had him done he was knocked out cause 1) he was 12 and had never had the dentist before 2) was only new to me so i didn't know him well enough to say he would be okay. Next time was tried without and he had a 6ft man on the floor in a ball so that was kind of awkward.
Hes ok for the farrier thankfully.

 

[AdorableAlice]

Given it is impossible to predict how home given sedation will work or might not work if the dose or environment is wrong, I would just let the vet do the whole job. IV, teeth done with no fuss and no memory. I have never understood the reluctance to use an equine vet to keep mouths comfortable.

 

[Equi]

Sedation always comes with its own risks esp in older animals so there is always going to be a reluctance unless absolutely necessary and many vets don't 100% specialize in teeth so may miss something which is why i prefer an EDT who bases their entire career on teeth (and has the qualifications and certificates to prove it)

 

[criso]

Sedation always comes with its own risks esp in older animals so there is always going to be a reluctance unless absolutely necessary and many vets don't 100% specialize in teeth so may miss something which is why i prefer an EDT who bases their entire career on teeth (and has the qualifications and certificates to prove it)

One of the vets in the practice I use specialises in teeth and happens to be my regular vet so a win all round.

 

[Equi]

One of the vets in the practice I use specialises in teeth and happens to be my regular vet so a win all round.

The EDT i used first time round is also a vet who went into teeth 100% so the ability to sedate on site is really handy, but as said i dunno how i feel about just rolling up with him and them take over as he can just turn if hes too afraid. Id rather be the one in the firing line so to speak.

 

[criso]

The EDT i used first time round is also a vet who went into teeth 100% so the ability to sedate on site is really handy, but as said i dunno how i feel about just rolling up with him and them take over as he can just turn if hes too afraid. Id rather be the one in the firing line so to speak.

In which case it may be better to get the EDT and vet to come to you and work in a familiar environment even if it means an extra call out.

 

[Equi]

In which case it may be better to get the EDT and vet to come to you and work in a familiar environment even if it means an extra call out.

Yes thats the plan in action now got the EDT on board just need to get the vet time scheduled.

 

[doodle]

The EDT i used first time round is also a vet who went into teeth 100% so the ability to sedate on site is really handy, but as said i dunno how i feel about just rolling up with him and them take over as he can just turn if hes too afraid. Id rather be the one in the firing line so to speak.

It’s horrible leaving them. I have had to leave Robin twice and will have to do it again next week. Vet very apologetic as normally would be more than happy for me to stay. Luckily Robin is good and I trust him to behave. I’m not sure what protocol would be for a more difficult horse.

 

[Equi]

It’s horrible leaving them. I have had to leave Robin twice and will have to do it again next week. Vet very apologetic as normally would be more than happy for me to stay. Luckily Robin is good and I trust him to behave. I’m not sure what protocol would be for a more difficult horse.

I would assume they know how to handle horses well etc but at the same time they always have a duty of care to their staff/themselves. They do have to take a leap of faith when people hand them a horse don't they?

I could never in good faith hand this boy over without them knowing what he has done in the past. Im glad i have had any farrier/dentist/vet/physio mess with my youngsters when they come out so this type of thing would not be an issue for them.

 

[Season’s Bleatings]

What EDT are you using? If her initials are JJ she is absolutely brilliant and really good with the difficult ones.

 

[Equi]

No it isn’t her, forgot all about her! Would have been a closer option ? oh well.

 

[Equi]

So the dirty deed was done today and the sedation was very low according to vet/EDT but he was still happily "out" for what was required, but no sweating this time and a much faster recovery. I feel both were almost raising an eyebow like does he really need this ahahha but after last time im taking no chances. EDT has said she will happily try him with demo just to see if it works now that his initial mouth issues are not so severe. Because i have a low enough separation in the stable she should be able to let him be in his stable and she can work on the other side of it so that if he doesn't calm with the demo shes out of immediate danger should he lunge but still able to work at him. Im skeptical tbh but its worth a try i suppose, it will at least give us an idea of what is needed "forever" so to speak. Vet had a great time observing with my little 3yo (that he gelded in the summer) practically in his lap lol

 

[Equi]

I thought I would update this just in case anyone else searches specifically for miniatures.

Edt said next time she would be comfortable to try him on the domosedan so we did that today and it did take the full 2ml and 40mins for him to accept her.

There was one slight moment we thought it may not work, but gave him another 10mins and he was okay. He’s dopey, but not totally unaware of the world and still pricks his ears etc. He hasn’t so far sweated up (a bit of clamminess but not anywhere near dripping) so I call this a big success!!!

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

Sometimes sedation can actually make a situation worse rather than better.

Mine had to be sedated for scoping and she just kept fighting against it, it was very hard to watch.

The other thing I will say (sorry some of you may find this upsetting) is some advice shared by the Knackerman the last time he was here (we hope we don't see too much of him but it does happen with sheep on site - and horses, sadly). He said that when he is called to shoot a horse - the times where it "goes wrong" (like........ badly wrong) is where the owner, thinking they're doing the right thing, has sedated the horse themselves before he comes along. Then what can happen is the horse can suddenly come-to because a stranger is there handling it, with awful consequences.............. like I say sorry to be sharing this, but if it stops one person from doing it then it'll have been worthwhile.

 

[Equi]

Believe me without sedation this little pony can NOT be done by the dentist. Been there done that, edt had the scars to prove it.

 

[bouncing_ball]

Sometimes sedation can actually make a situation worse rather than better.

Mine had to be sedated for scoping and she just kept fighting against it, it was very hard to watch.

The other thing I will say (sorry some of you may find this upsetting) is some advice shared by the Knackerman the last time he was here (we hope we don't see too much of him but it does happen with sheep on site - and horses, sadly). He said that when he is called to shoot a horse - the times where it "goes wrong" (like........ badly wrong) is where the owner, thinking they're doing the right thing, has sedated the horse themselves before he comes along. Then what can happen is the horse can suddenly come-to because a stranger is there handling it, with awful consequences.............. like I say sorry to be sharing this, but if it stops one person from doing it then it'll have been worthwhile.

I wouldnt sedate a horse to be shot. Or leave it with someone not familiar to be shot. But not seeing why sedation is an issue per say. If you dont sedate horse can panic at the stranger and strange situation. If you do sedate, some horses might panic less. All the knackermen I have met are very good, skilled and good with calming horses. I assume everyone would set up the location and event of PTS carefully.