How hard can it be to commit a crime?

[Ereiam_jh]

Well I've repeatedly searched for, stalked, flushed out and chased deer with four dogs, but still apparently according to Kal and LACs I haven't broken the law.

That must be good news to the hunts.

Apparently it's something to do with beingin the vicinity of the dogs.

This weekend I'll just let them bugger off if they catch sight of an animal. Will that count?

Trouble is they can run so much faster than me I'm ot sure I'll be able to chase the animal as well. I'll give it my best shot though.

You can't say I'm not trying to commit a crime, but it does seem to be damned hard to do so. Couldn't the government have a bit of sympathy and make it a bit easier?

Wish me luck!

 

[Paul T]

No, you've repeatedly wandered through the undergrowth with your dogs in extremely close proximity to you. No wonder the police don't want to waste their time on you.

 

[Hercules]

A dog can be out of control if it is in close proximity to you. Proximity is not the issue, control is.

 

[Paul T]

Giles assures us his are in control while they're with him.

Actually the point here is proximity in relation to the concept of the chase. As I've maintained, his dogs can hardly be chasing the deer if they're sticking close to him.

 

[Hercules]

''Giles assures us his are in control while they're with him.''

Agreed, but what AA is doing is controlling/handling his dogs to flush deer.

4 dogs, no guns = non exempt hunting = illegal act.

Straightforward really mate.

 

[Paul T]

No he claims, for the purposes of his self-promotion, that what he's doing is flushing out but it will be up to the courts to interpret what is flushing out under the Hunting Act.

 

[Hercules]

Flushing out is to move the quarry species from cover.

Simple really mate.

 

[Paul T]

But we've already established that dogs barking can move a quarry species from cover, but everyone (I think) is agreed that no court would interpret that as flushing out under the terms of the Hunting Act.

I agree, you really are simple.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

The courts have already decided what flushing out is. It is what I do. Look at the judgement in the Tony Wright case. Flushing out is to make an animal in cover start up like a startled bird and then run away.

It's as simple as that.

This weekend I'm going to let the dogs chase the deer without controlling them.

 

[Hercules]

Karl mate, your breath would move a quarry species from cover, but that's not the point.

What is the point is that AA uses his dogs by means of movement to chase/flush the deer.

What do you consider a court's interpretation of flushing to be?

 

[Paul T]

Great, so again we've established there's no need for him to use his dogs to remove deer from his land and that he's being disingenuous when he claims there is a need.

How can I know what they courts interpretation will be before they've made it? Whatever it is, it clearly isn't as simple as the defintion you provided. It wouldn't surprise me if there was the element of chase in any interpretation but we'll have to see.

 

[Hercules]

''Great, so again we've established there's no need for him to use his dogs to remove deer from his land and that he's being disingenuous when he claims there is a need.''

But using his dogs may be the most efficient and effective way. And he is allowed to do so provided that he adheres to the guidelines.

Mate, have you ever even seen a deer other than in cartoons?

 

[Paul T]

No, it doesn't take any great skill or ingenuity to humanely scare deer from land without the use of dogs. You just need a bit of sense.

 

[sabber]

have u tried getting a life?

 

[Nigel]

Hi Sabber,


“Have you tried getting a life”

You’re a fine one to speak chum.


Cheers

Nigel

 

[sabber]

am i ? thank u

 

[brighteyes]

Contribute something worthwhile or go away (and learn to spell).

 

[sabber]

slitherins like u know all about spells lol !

 

[Ereiam_jh]

wandering through undergrowth with dogs is of course what hunts do.

The key component for a crime is intent.

If they intend to flush out a wild mammal then they are breaking the law.