How many acp tablets to clip?

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After his box rest the vet iv sedated hkm to turn him out (was to wait til he was coming out of it) but he gave me acp tablets (he didn't have paste with him) also incase I needed to wait to turn out the next day (wasn't sure if I could get his electric fence pen set up in time). So I have 40 acp tablets. Old owner said he used domosedan to clip and last year I did it while iv sedated for his teeth. Should I give him all 40?
 

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If the vet, who knows your horse, thought 40 was right to turn out on, I can't see it would be too much for clipping.

Saying that, my old boy was on 30 a day to try to keep him calm in the field after box rest, and they didn't even touch the sides.
 

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There is quite a difference in the dosage required to calm him on turn out to the dosage required to limit or prevent his adrenaline reaction to something like clipping. In turnout all you are doing is seeking to soften the adrenaline reaction to something pleasant. In sedating to clip you are trying to overcome the basic fight / flight reaction to something he wants to get way from. In horses the latter is very strong. You cannot relay on the appropriate dosage to quiet turn out as translatable to the safe dosage to make an unpleasant activity safe.
 

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If I gave 20 and waited for say 30mins, could I give the other 20 if not enough?

no I don't think you can top up on acp I think it's because it effects the breathing I can't quite remember but I would ask your vet just to be sure.

I don't think 30 minutes is enough for them to have a full effect anyway I would think more like an hour.
 

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If I gave 20 and waited for say 30mins, could I give the other 20 if not enough?

That is what I did when using them for turning out, the first lot didn't seem to work, the second dose after about 20 mins enabled me to get him out safely although he was rather too wobbly by then, cannot remember how many I had in total, it could well have been 40, the problem with using it for clipping is that if they get too upset before the acp works fully they will override it so it will depend on how bad he is and whether he is relaxed enough so the drug can work effectively.
 

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ACP almost certainly wont work for clipping if they have had to use domesedan in the past. Sedalin is useless in most cases, and just slightly takes the edge off, or even worse, knocks them out a bit then they suddenly snap out of it.
 

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Nothing to add really but wow 40 ACP tablets. That would knock my horse out on the floor! ! I used to clip hunters for a hunt yard. The most we ever gave a really naughty one was around 5. Unless the strength has changed??
 

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After his box rest the vet iv sedated hkm to turn him out (was to wait til he was coming out of it) but he gave me acp tablets (he didn't have paste with him) also incase I needed to wait to turn out the next day (wasn't sure if I could get his electric fence pen set up in time). So I have 40 acp tablets. Old owner said he used domosedan to clip and last year I did it while iv sedated for his teeth. Should I give him all 40?

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I used to give mine up to 4 - (told by vet) and they work really well for clipping, as sedaline was not enough. I would ask your vet as every horse reacts differently to sedatives.

Anymore than said doe would have mine on the floor with his legs in the air.
 
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There is a crucial bit of information missing. The OP has not stated the mg of the acp tablets she has in her possession so relevant advice on how many is impossible.

ACP is highly unpredictable and I am amazed that the vet did not advise on appropriate dosages. An example of the variation in effectiveness is my young carthorse had 4 x 10mg to clip him, he is 800kg and tall. He was comatose 50 minutes after being given them and remained tired for a good while after. 8x10mg given to a lightweight cob weighing 500kg made no difference at all.
 

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There is a crucial bit of information missing. The OP has not stated the mg of the acp tablets she has in her possession so relevant advice on how many is impossible.

Agree with this. I've had 10mg and 25mg ACP for horses. When you are giving a few at once this adds up to a significant difference in dosage so it is vital to know how much is in each tablet.
 

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Not sure what dose they are. Vet did give instructions. He said to give the 40 to have him very sedated and then turnout while still working but coming round.
 

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There is a crucial bit of information missing. The OP has not stated the mg of the acp tablets she has in her possession so relevant advice on how many is impossible.

ACP is highly unpredictable and I am amazed that the vet did not advise on appropriate dosages. An example of the variation in effectiveness is my young carthorse had 4 x 10mg to clip him, he is 800kg and tall. He was comatose 50 minutes after being given them and remained tired for a good while after. 8x10mg given to a lightweight cob weighing 500kg made no difference at all.

Interestingly my vet says that she often finds that the big draughty types are more easily knocked, whatever substance you're using. For my big lad the general rule is to give him enough for a 12hh pony, and that's about right. For the midgety light build 15.2hh you have to give slightly over the standard weight prescription for it to have any effect at all.
 

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According to the Viovet website, ACP is no longer licensed for use in horses, but is for dogs and cats.

The 10mg and 25mg tablets appear to look identical.

There will be very different results from 10mg x 40 against 25mg x 40 though. If OP has any confusion the only way forwards is to talk to the vet and gain correct guidance.
 

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Interestingly my vet says that she often finds that the big draughty types are more easily knocked, whatever substance you're using. For my big lad the general rule is to give him enough for a 12hh pony, and that's about right. For the midgety light build 15.2hh you have to give slightly over the standard weight prescription for it to have any effect at all.

Same here - Alf is not small, but he only takes a minimal dose of sedation, whereas the 14.2hh anglo-arab polo pony here needs a whopping dose to shut her up!
 

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Interestingly my vet says that she often finds that the big draughty types are more easily knocked, whatever substance you're using. For my big lad the general rule is to give him enough for a 12hh pony, and that's about right. For the midgety light build 15.2hh you have to give slightly over the standard weight prescription for it to have any effect at all.

There is truth in what you say, my draught mare did not need much acp. Same with the ID x QH.


EVen with the vets injection it takes little sedative to knock him out.
 
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