How much would you charge for transporting horses to and from a show?

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Hi,
I've been asked would I be able to bring someone to and from shows. They said they would pay me but I don't know how much is fair. The combined distance travelling there and back would be about 60 - 80 miles. Do you think taking 50 euros per show would be too much or too little?

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Just be careful, getting paid to transport will invalidate your lorry insurance (unless you are insured as a transporter).
 
not sure,but i think a transporters licence is expensive to obtain and you would need one to do this.
 
Yup. You definitely need to be licensed and insured to do this. I've known too many people shafted in these kinds of scenario by so-called 'friends' (making no assumptions about your friend - I hasten to add).

Do be careful with this one.
 
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Just be careful, getting paid to transport will invalidate your lorry insurance (unless you are insured as a transporter).

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Exactly. Legally no money can be accepted for transport unles you are insured as such.

You can of course accept horsefeed or drinks etc in the pub but no money should change hands. If you were to have an accident and it was found that you were accepting money then your insurance would be null and void and you would also have a hefty fine too. There are ways round it but you need to be aware of this issue.
 
I take my friend out for hacks, maybe two or three times a month, she pays for my diesel ( literally she fills up for me now and then) does this count as being paid as well?
No money exchanges hands apart from at the filling station!
 
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Just be careful, getting paid to transport will invalidate your lorry insurance (unless you are insured as a transporter).

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Yep, this is true. Treat VERY carefully. If you are charging to take someone to shows, it opens a whole new can of worms in respect of insurace, licences and I think there are also some DEFRA thins you have to adhere to.

I hire a transporter to take us to shows and she charges a certain amount per mile and then £15 an hour
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I take my friend out for hacks, maybe two or three times a month, she pays for my diesel ( literally she fills up for me now and then) does this count as being paid as well?
No money exchanges hands apart from at the filling station!

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Bit of a grey area but yes I think it does I'm afraid as by giving you diesel money this is in direct connection with the transporting and in the eyes of the law you could be running a commercial business this way.

Obviously they would have to prove it but it depends on how much you trust your friend not to say anything!

As an example of a way around it. I take my friend out to our instructors and she pays for half of my lesson. Or she pays my entry fees at a show. This cannot be proven as being in direct connection with the lift I gave her. (though it is still a grey area!)
 
Does Ireland come under the same restrictions as the UK? Not sure, but here in the UK this would now break the rules as we are no longer allowed to transport for gain without the necessary docs etc. There was a write up in H&H not so long ago.
 
Ditto the others!

You need to be licenced by the Department Of Agriculture over there for your DEFRA Licence (here in the UK) to transport horses

You need your lorry inspecting by Dept of Agri which lasts for 5 years

You need to take your ACET to transport horses for reward and hire

You need to have your operators licence from the Department of Transport (VOSA over here)

Then when you have done all this you need all your insurances that go with it-reward and hire, employers, public and Care Custody and Control.

The Department of Transport and VOSA are having a field day with people who are transporting their 'friends' horses as favours or filling up the tank or receiving chocolates etc!

You are invalidating your insurance! And risking the authorities impounding your lorry and crushing it!
 
i would think you'd be ok in Eire...

its only in this stupid country where we have the misfortune of having a Gvnt who couldn't organise a pi55 up in a Brewery!!!!
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You can of course accept horsefeed or drinks etc in the pub but no money should change hands.

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Technically speaking I think this would still be counted as a payment (known as a payment in kind) so would imagine that it isn't allowed either! Just because it isn't cash, then I don't think it changes anything legally.
 
Well DEFRA has no control in Ireland - it is the Department of Agriculture here. Transport is covered by the Dpt of Transpor.

The European legislation as regards to horse transport and regulations is exactly the same.

Under Irish Dept of Trasport law - what akelly is proposing is not illegal, you are not advertising as a business and this would be just classed as a contribution towards costs to a show, however you would need to check with your insurance.
 
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Ditto the others!

You need to be licenced by the Department Of Agriculture over there for your DEFRA Licence (here in the UK) to transport horses

You need your lorry inspecting by Dept of Agri which lasts for 5 years

You need to take your ACET to transport horses for reward and hire

You need to have your operators licence from the Department of Transport (VOSA over here)

Then when you have done all this you need all your insurances that go with it-reward and hire, employers, public and Care Custody and Control.

The Department of Transport and VOSA are having a field day with people who are transporting their 'friends' horses as favours or filling up the tank or receiving chocolates etc!

You are invalidating your insurance! And risking the authorities impounding your lorry and crushing it!

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so it IS the same over there then????

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Ditto the others!

You need to be licenced by the Department Of Agriculture over there for your DEFRA Licence (here in the UK) to transport horses

You need your lorry inspecting by Dept of Agri which lasts for 5 years

You need to take your ACET to transport horses for reward and hire

You need to have your operators licence from the Department of Transport (VOSA over here)

Then when you have done all this you need all your insurances that go with it-reward and hire, employers, public and Care Custody and Control.

The Department of Transport and VOSA are having a field day with people who are transporting their 'friends' horses as favours or filling up the tank or receiving chocolates etc!

You are invalidating your insurance! And risking the authorities impounding your lorry and crushing it!

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so it IS the same over there then????

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It is a bit confusing. Foraday would be correct in relation to professional transporters, but what akelly is proposing would not fall into that. It is not illegal for 2 private parties to have an agreement towards expenses to local shows, hunts etc.

However it is also illegal to use an unlicenced operator in Ireland (the responsibility of the customer as well as the operatr)
 
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So the goverment has employed someone to go around checking all of this then?
What a load of bo*****s

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I wasn't suggesting that the government employ people to check - I have no idea if they do or not. I was simply responding to the previous threat that non-cash items (like feed/drinks suggested in the thread) would still in the eyes of the law be considered a payment - I know plenty of people take cash or other items in return for transporting and the chances of being caught are minimal but there's always, even a minute, chance of being found out.
 
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