How to warm The Trail Scent out of the bottle?

[Judgemental]

Does anybody have any ideas how the Trail Scent can be warmed and kept warm, to mirror the increasing temperature of the real quarry over an extended point?

The object of Tufting a buck was to change the scent of the buck, so that hounds would wind the difference between the hunted and non-hunted buck.

In the case of the artificial fox trail scent, what recommendations can members make, so that Trail Scent is warm enough to rise off the cold ground and generate a genuinely hospitable environment for hounds to really fly? For that temperature change to increase, mirroring that of a real fox on an extended point?

I.e what comes out of the bottle must be a different temperature to both the air and ground temeperature.

 

[JenHunt]

not really sure - but I would be thinking along the lines of keeping the scent next to the body somehow?

 

[Jake10]

Would one of those baby bottle warmer bags work?

 

[Dubsie]

One of those hand warmers you click and it releases heat then goes solid. You could put that next to it, it does take quite a while to cool down. You could use a fresh one every now and then /on each new line, and then afterwards you boil them to recharge them ready for the next hunt

 

[Kittykins]

Does putting it warm into a vacuum flask not work?

 

[Judgemental]

All the posts and suggestions are very welcome, however how close have the posters ever been to the Trail Scent?

It stinks and I mean really stinks and if one gets it on one's person, eg hands it takes ages to remove - latex gloves are essential when handling the stuff and whatever one does, don't get it on clothing it never comes out.

(By way of an analogy, it is not dissimilar to being Skunked. In the US and Canada cars that have run over a Skunk are in many instances scrapped or sold for next to nothing).

So the ideas are great but trying to keep a stinking fluid warm in a sealed container so that it is warmer than the ground and gets warmer as the day progresses to mirror the increasing body heat of the quarry as it is hunted, is an interesting problem.

 

[amage]

You need an old Closamectin Injectable dose container the 500ml dose one. The dose is very viscose so has to be heated with a click pad to use. The dose is kept wrapped in the heat pad which is then kept inside another container which can be hung around the body with a tube coming out of it for dosing for ease of use. I would imagine you might need to do a bit of adjustment to help the feed out but no reason why it shouldn't work. You make alse need spare heat click pad to ensure heat can stay for the day but they are cheap and handy to have....just boil them up to melt them and away you go again

 

[Judgemental]

You need an old Closamectin Injectable dose container the 500ml dose one. The dose is very viscose so has to be heated with a click pad to use. The dose is kept wrapped in the heat pad which is then kept inside another container which can be hung around the body with a tube coming out of it for dosing for ease of use. I would imagine you might need to do a bit of adjustment to help the feed out but no reason why it shouldn't work. You make alse need spare heat click pad to ensure heat can stay for the day but they are cheap and handy to have....just boil them up to melt them and away you go again

amage that is an excellent suggestion, then what is needed is a robust "shoe" to sit the whole container in and a dispenser out of the container. I had been thinking about a Calf Feeder Tube as being the point of contact with the ground or passing vegetation. That would happily bounce along the ground and robust enough not to disintegrate whilst being trailed. Any thoughts on that point and how long would anybody suggest the trail rope or towing device is, so that the horse, assuming it is a horse trailed scent does not 'burn' the scent.

For the record, if you holler a fox at close range, his scent will be 'burnt'. In the same way a trailed scent has to be sufficiently pure so that hounds accept it as being genuine.

Lets say a trail is being laid on cold ground the horses hoofs can churn up fresh ground or in very muddy conditions (not unlike freshly dug earth) thus 'burning' the artificial. Grass is interesting anybody got any views on artificial scent on grass and the temperature of both?

Do I take it we should now apply to the NHS for our trailing apparatus ?

 

[amage]

amage that is an excellent suggestion, then what is needed is a robust "shoe" to sit the whole container in and a dispenser out of the container. I had been thinking about a Calf Feeder Tube as being the point of contact with the ground or passing vegetation. That would happily bounce along the ground and robust enough not to disintegrate whilst being trailed. Any thoughts on that point and how long would anybody suggest the trail rope or towing device is, so that the horse, assuming it is a horse trailed scent does not 'burn' the scent.

For the record, if you holler a fox at close range, his scent will be 'burnt'. In the same way a trailed scent has to be sufficiently pure so that hounds accept it as being genuine.

Lets say a trail is being laid on cold ground the horses hoofs can churn up fresh ground or in very muddy conditions (not unlike freshly dug earth) thus 'burning' the artificial. Grass is interesting anybody got any views on artificial scent on grass and the temperature of both?

Do I take it we should now apply to the NHS for our trailing apparatus ?

the Closamectin container withing which you could sit a scent container is fairly robust so if you adapted the dosing gun to use a Lectade Calf dosing tube instead of the gun tube i would probably set the traile effectively with the benefit being it the whole container could sit quite comfortably (and odourtightly) in a saddle panier....if you had one each side of saddle and a horse that had no aversion to two tubes feeding out you could have a thicker trail left. Adaptation of the dosing gun where the tube connects could allow the riding trail setter to "top up" the scent if necessary. Not sure about the NHS but raiding a dairy farmers bin should be effective!

 

[EAST KENT]

Do they make bottles large and light enough to stuff a fox into??

 

[amage]

Do they make bottles large and light enough to stuff a fox into??

Depends....if you were willing to put mr fox thru a blender then possibly!!

 

[Judgemental]

Do they make bottles large and light enough to stuff a fox into??

East Kent we were having a fairly complex and contructive discussion

 

[Judgemental]

Now where were we ah yes, the next issue is one of the rate of discharge and it is important. How does one regulate the rate of discharge, i.e. per minute, per meter and it has to be geared to air and ground temperature. There is some sort of regulator attached to a hospital drips but then we are going into fairly exotic territory, when one starts talking about using medical devices to mirror the scent emitted by a fox.

 

[amage]

Now where were we ah yes, the next issue is one of the rate of discharge and it is important. How does one regulate the rate of discharge, i.e. per minute, per meter and it has to be geared to air and ground temperature. There is some sort of regulator attached to a hospital drips but then we are going into fairly exotic territory, when one starts talking about using medical devices to mirror the scent emitted by a fox.

I answered above for you.....adaptation of dosing gun would allow the trail setter to regulate how much or little is put out. The barrel on the gun holds a certain amount of mls so that could be utilised it....by the way if this works we are calling it the JudgementAmage and patenting it and selling it!

 

[Herne]

If, as many hunts now are, you are using imported fox urine, the smell is so much stronger than the natural scent of a running fox that extra measures are not really necessary.

 

[EAST KENT]

Depends....if you were willing to put mr fox thru a blender then possibly!!

That would be unkind There must be an awful lot of pissiong foxes abroad Herne,wonder what they label it as on the import certificate?