Hunt Monitors

East Kent: As with everyone, you are of course entitled to your view. I differ very strongly. The day I made that comment seems to me very appropriate, as the monitor/saboteur strand are exactly the sort of people who have committed truly awful crimes in the past in the name of intolerance. We have to decide as a society whether we want people who are prepared to go to the extremes which the animal rights fanatics have gone ( digging up corpses etc) or not. It seems to me that is something we should not accept as being a part of a civilised society.
 
A1fie said:
Hi Dobby I am not sure whether you will find the answers that you are looking for in here. I can't speak for others, but my experience of hunt monitors has not been positive. The ones that monitor my hunt are rude and aggressive. They film children, swear and shout abuse at everyone and do everything they can to upset everyone.

My hunt has worked very hard since the ban to hunt within the law. Most hunts I know also do this. The monitors that follow our hunt cannot believe this and spend an inordinate amount of time hiding in bushes, or following with longe range cameras, trying to catch us out. In the five years since the hunting ban they haven't once managed to find any evidence of illegal hunting but still they perserve.

My experience of sabs has been even worse. Sabs do everything they can to prevent hunting including spraying pepper spray in hounds and horses faces, hitting horses, standing blocking roads with balaclavas and baseball bats, spitting at people and many other vile things. Animal lovers they are not.

I don't seek to change your mind and I am not going to get into an argument with you over the rights and wrongs of hunting. I would question why you felt this forum was the most appropriate place for posting. Personally I wouldn't ask on the ALF forum for advice on a day's hunting nor would I ask PETA for their recommendations for fur coats, but each to their own!
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Regarding your assertion that HMs film children, take a look at this (from 23:12):

http://www.indiemoviesonline.com/watch-movies/a-letter-to-david-cameron

During the altercation about filming children, a rider can clearly be seen beckoning a child into shot. HMs and sabs are not interested in children. If a child happens to be in shot, it's incidental and the child is not the focus of the shot. HMs and sabs are there to stop you killing. Why on earth would they waste time filming children? You're clutching at straws.

Regarding your assertion that sabs harm horses and hounds, that is a bare-faced lie. Absurd hunt propaganda. Sabs ARE animal lovers. If one sab harmed a horse or hound, he or she would find themselves in VERY hot water with their fellow sabs.

Regarding your assertion that sabs block roads; what would be the point in that? The pack and field could easily get past. You think they want to block the support vehicles? They're not interested in the support. They want to keep up with the pack in order to sabotage any attempt to kill. On the other hand, terriermen with their quads and other support vehicles frequently block roads in order to prevent sabs from following the hunt.

Incidentally, what are the terriermen doing there, with their terriers in metal boxes mounted on the quads? Not to dig out foxes, surely?

Lastly, I daresay some sabs and HMs are rude and aggressive; some keep their heads down and get on with what they're there for. The same can be said of the hunts. (Watch the whole film in the link above.)
 
My experience has been that HM's and sabs do film children. I have seen them. In our hunt they do it primarily to provoke the parents into a reaction so that they can film it and post it on the internet. I have no need to clutch at straws - I am pointing out my experience.

My assertion that HM's and sabs have harmed horses and hounds is also correct. I have seen them. In my opinion a lot of sabs are not interested in animal welfare, just want to cause chaos and destruction.

HM's and sabs block roads so that they can film a mounted follower trying to get past them and it will appear that they are being charged by them. It makes for a great internet video.

Terriermen have an important role to play in hunting. You may not like what they do but it is often necessary.

If you were an animal lover you would understand the important role that hunting has in the countryside. You would also understand that people who hunt love animals, including foxes. Hunting pre-ban was a way to manage the fox population. The welfare of the fox has not improved since the ban.
 
Alfie, forgive me. I thought your implication was that HMs are paedophiles.

I do not believe that any sab would harm an animal. You are either mistaken or fibbing. I know many sabs. Every one of them is a vegan, and active in many areas of the Animal Rights movement. They are animal lovers.

If HMs and sabs have blocked roads (with vehicles, I assume) in order to manipulate the footage for the internet, please provide me with links. Don't forget, the HM or sab vehicles should really be facing the same direction as the hunt for your argument to carry weight. A face to face blockage is an everyday occurrence on narrow roads.

Terriermen: why is what they do necessary? You don't have to dig out and bludgeon foxes to death.

People who hunt love foxes, you say? Poppycock. On this very forum I've read the fox described with adjectives such as mangy and vermin. And the welfare of the fox has improved since the ban in that fewer are chased down and torn limb from limb with terror in their hearts. Love foxes, indeed.
 
skiddaw_lad said:
citronella was sprayed into hounds faces at the covert side whilst no long term damage was caused , the anti involved wasnt so lucky , he stll cant chew properly
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Glad to read that justice was delivered. Perhaps they were they teeth Raynard referred to on another thread. LOL

Anti's, sabs, lacs, animal rights nutters. All in the same boat IMO

And its a boat I'd happily hand over to the Somali pirates without any chance of a ransom being paid.
 
Dobby, here is a sock, go and do something constructive with your life.

Raynard, it's not lies when just about everyone who hunts (and everyone who films hunts!) has seen how violent and pathetic sabs are (I don't imagine Surrey Police arrested a sab for biting people based on lies???).

I have absolute respect for anyone who can peacefully protest for any cause, whether I support it or not. Sadly, I have met very, VERY few sabs who can manage peaceful.
Or how to spell it...

And does anyone else think it's co-incidence that Sab like creatures are turning up to the student protests?

The "Rent-a-mob" claims of old still stand!!!
 
Alec Swan said:
Either Raynard, is a bloke called Ray, or they can't spell, or perhaps it's a combination!!

Alec.
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Alex

I believe he meant to call himself Retard!

But had no end of trouble trying spelling it so opted for his best guess.

Every HM and sab I have had the displeasure of meeting has been some sort of retard.
 
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