Hunters views please!

[gemma236]

When I saw this video, it made me feel sad that despite all the lovely horse owners we have in the UK, things like this are happening. A clear example of uneducated horse owners.
I have very respectable hunting friends, none of which you would catch dead displaying this kind of behavior.
I admit I have had the odd display of "fresh" behavior from my horses on the road
which has lead to cantering sideways down the street. However in my opinion there is a clear line between acceptable and non acceptable actions on concrete.
Please air your views on this video; these are dealers who think their horse's genuine nature is evidence it is a "highly trained hunting horse" (quote).
There is also another video on their profile of the same horse jumping a gate on this ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRD6xubwib8

 

[LizzyandToddy]

I don't have an issue with a horse jumping a car, its the fact that it appears to be on such an unsafe grounding which has wound me up. Near enough suicide IMO...
Horse is obviously honest though and it does prove a point, even if in a rather stupid idiotic way! - feel the same way about the gate.

But then again if they are dealers, well most of them are in a world of their own anyway...(not all just 'some')

 

[cptrayes]

I don't have an issue with a horse jumping a car, its the fact that it appears to be on such an unsafe grounding which has wound me up. Near enough suicide IMO...
Horse is obviously honest though and it does prove a point, even if in a rather stupid idiotic way! - feel the same way about the gate.

But then again if they are dealers, well most of them are in a world of their own anyway...(not all just 'some')

Anyone who hunts must surely have seen horses required to jump onto roads from time to time? All they are doing is showing that the horse can do it.

Incidentally they are known in this area as good dealers whose horses "do what it says on the tin". I hunt with several horses who have been bought from them.

 

[JenHunt]

I have no issue with horses jumping cars, and the cars they've chosen to jump actually aren't that big - it's essentially just a spread.

what I do have issue with in this case is jumping on concrete. there's no need.

 

[cptrayes]

Is it concrete? The gate is certainly not on concrete but hardcore and I'm not sure about the cars.

 

[gemma236]

I don't know if I can say its "wrong" to jump on concrete. I am aware of the hunt jumping onto concrete.....I must say its not nice to see a horse peck on landing onto concrete! I feel its irresponsible behaviour on the riders part. Most riders including myself are highly consious of jumping on grass which is hard going, due to the effects it can have on your horse - splints, tendon injury, bruised feet, arthritis, ringbone, laminitis, sore shins and joint injuries.
So are we saying that in general, jumping onto concrete is just irresponsible?

Also if you listened to the clips with sound you would hear that both might aswell be on concrete. I have certainly never heard my horses hooves that loud on a suitable jumping ground.
I know he was trying to "prove" his horse, but is there really any need to do it on that ground?

 

[rosie fronfelen]

Gemma, you have removed the video so cannot comment-

 

[gemma236]

Apologies Rosie, it is still visible to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRD6xubwib8

 

[LizzyandToddy]

Anyone who hunts must surely have seen horses required to jump onto roads from time to time? All they are doing is showing that the horse can do it.

Incidentally they are known in this area as good dealers whose horses "do what it says on the tin". I hunt with several horses who have been bought from them.

Well with the hunts I am with I can safely say that at least 95% of the time you actually land on verge and then cross the road, even if at a gallop. The one time I have seen a horse land on tarmac after over-jumping it slipped and messed up both knees and is subsequently retired...
I have no problem with them proving the horse will do it, it in fact looks a very good sort of horse, I do question their practices and common sense - but this is just my opinion.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

Apologies Rosie, it is still visible to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRD6xubwib8

sorry, just a big black screen with a red die and saying video removed by user. not to worry.

 

[JanetGeorge]

Apologies Rosie, it is still visible to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRD6xubwib8

Not to me -
"This video has been removed by the user.
Sorry about that."

 

[gemma236]

Ah, it seems there has been quite a stir over this video including threats to inform the RSPCA from some disappointed viewers. It looks like they have subsequently removed both videos. Sorry guys debate over then!

 

[sybil]

Regardless of whether or not it is occasional or that they are "required" to do it out hunting, no one can possibly say it does any good for the poor horse's legs/ joints.

These videos demonstrate the strain a horse's joints are put under even when on a soft landing... you can more or less times that strain by ten for landing/ galloping on tarmac/concrete. Hardcore is even worse due to its uneven nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dSLLf4K80U&feature=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec27b0ZidQU&feature=related

There is one part in the first one where it shows you the foot reacting on tarmac... and that's just in walk.

 

[VoR]

Wouldn't want to jump my big old boy on to a solid surface, worry enough when he decides that a nice canter on the road would be a good idea!
Long-and-the-short is it ain't natural for a horse to jump, if they were wild they'd go round rather than do so, the fact that they will take us over an obstacle is fantastic in itself, we shouldn't abuse the privilege!