Hunting with the edge taken off

[Weezy]

Heard a suggestion today regarding hunting a hot horse that DOES want to do the job but is a tad above his station as is just learning and needs to be abit more chilled about the whole thing - low dose of sedalin to inhibit a massive adrenalin flood and ease the horse into the whole environment - according to my source this is used a lot on young/hot horses

Views?

 

[Skhosu]

Dangerous IMO, potential for too much to be given, if it is slowing down reactions is a risk horses will hit a fence etc. Can't see it being good for them!
Wouldn't do it myself.

 

[Deefa]

I was told to give some to my welshy as he is a nutter out hunting - i dont take him anymore
I decided not to as i would be going on the jumping meets and i would be worried with him jumping hedges and ditches which can ge very big when he isn't totally 'there' if you get what i mean?

 

[Governor]

Personally I wouldn't - although you don't say exactly how low a dose of sedalin you'd be thinking i'd imagine you could achieve a similar effect with a herbal calmer (perhaps one of the syringe ones).

I wouldn't want to hunt a horse that is not fully alert, but at the same time I wouldn't fancy the unexploded bomb of a horse which may be the alternative.

If its any help I use Hormonise for Governor with great sucess as he'd like be 'above his station' if he got half a chance. It just takes the edge of him a bit.

Just another thought - if it is a low dose, presuming you give it before leaving to a meet it will probably have the greatest impact while your hanging around when you get there and start easing off after that so in theory it would work quite well.

 

[GTs]

Another short cut - train you horse, nothing beats it.

 

[RunToEarth]

I have a nutcase, he is a pleasure to hunt, obviously loves it to death, but he cant meet those fences fast enough. I will crack it with him, I am a believer that he will settle down, I honestly believe I can get there with him, if I get dumped a few times on the way them ho-hum. A Iain says, its cheating, its like schooling your horse in 10000 gadgets, of course he is going to feel nice, but it isnt him. I couldnt do with that personally.

 

[vivhewe]

I don't think it can be good for them. Wasn't there someone once who drank vodka and red bull to the point that it gave him a heart attack? The red bull made his heart rate go faster but the vodka slowed it down - in the end look what happened. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but sedalin would calm them down, adrenalin would hype them up and somewhere it'd go t:ts up - I know it's only a small dose that's mentioned but some idiot would get it wrong, or do it every day for a week or whatever.

I bet this is the stupidest idea you've all heard in ages lol! :grin:

 

[Thistle]

Sedalin / ACP can affect heart rate. Would you take a horse with a heart problem hunting?

I know it is an old grooms trick but IMO a very dangerous one.

 

[Patchwork]

i'd imagine you could achieve a similar effect with a herbal calmer (perhaps one of the syringe ones).

I don't know exactly how herbal calmers work but surely if they are having a sedative effect on the horse then they must have an active ingredient (even if it is 'natural') and should therefore be treated in the same way as a synthetic sedative such as sedalin?

 

[Governor]

Synthetic sedatives are more likely to affect heart rate or atleast act against the horse's natural process.

I can't think of any herbal calmers (without banned ingredients) that have a noticable effect on heart rate. Magnesium calmers for example work on the nervous system (neurotransmitters) and a deficiency can cause anxiety - although the majority of horses don't have a deficiency.
B vitamins catalyse the conversion of 5HTP to serotonin (a calming happy hormone) so again it works with the horses body rather than against it.

Thats my opinion anyway, i'm neither a vet nor a nutritionist so theres probably flaws in that.

 

[Thistle]

Nupa feed is good at helping inappropriate adrenaline release.

 

[spaniel]

I wouldnt risk it myself Weezy. Id be more inclined to load up with magnesium as it stops the overproduction of adrenalin so they dont get that 'rush' and go off their heads with excitement or nerves.

I DO know people who have used ACP on show horses the first time out at big events and one of them managed to break a guys leg having just run backwards onto the bonnet of someones car.....Id rather have them compos mentis myself!!

 

[Clodagh]

I wouldn't, but I have a friend who dopes her sons pony up with ACP for hunting and its always been fine.

 

[emma69]

I think it adds yet another element of risk into an already risky past time. I have ridden horses on ACP - not to hunt or compete, but bringing horses back into work without him damaging themselves. I had huge reservations about it the first time I did it and it was like riding a horse that wasn't totally there - I was in an enclosed sand school, and I still was outside my comfort zone, as a horse that isn't totally 'there' doesn't have the same regard for his own safety, and your own safety is associated with that.

I would never hunt a horse on ACP - if you have something that can't hunt without, then it needs taking out to meets and slowly being introduced to it all - so they don't go round and jump everything in sight, in fact you may not get off the car park the first few times, but rather that than not quite making it over the hedge / ditch / wall.

 

[kick_On]

I have hunted horses that have had edge taken off and it does work. But as a rider you do have to be more aware about what you ask horse to do etc...
On one horse used enough for morning and by aftering wearing off and then it was knacked soo it behaved. Do not like it for long term use but as an aid to help sort gg brain out have no problem using
BUT i would personnely would only use if last resort and would want to talk to vet aswell.

 

[Weezy]

Thanks for all of your responses guys - shall let you know any updates regarding the horse I was referring to

 

[Jerome]

People DOPE horses so they can hunt?

Have you tried giving them a spliff?

 

[severnmiles]

No...but reading some of your posts I think you've been at the wacky backy

 

[Weezy]

People DOPE horses so they can hunt?

Have you tried giving them a spliff?

Apparently so - not me tho I hasten to add!!!