Huntsman turns himself in to the Police

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From yesterday's Daily Telegraph:


Hunt man turns himself in after dog kills mouse
By Paul Stokes


(Filed: 05/09/2006)



A retired police officer has admitted twice flouting the new hunting law by allowing his terrier dog to chase and kill a mouse and a mole.

George Morrison, 51, reported himself to former colleagues but he was not prosecuted over either incident.

In the first case, the dog, named Chip, flushed a mole from beneath a horse trailer before swiftly killing it in June last year.

advertisementTwo months later, Chip chased a mouse from behind the washing machine at the family home and went on to make another kill.

Mr Morrison served with Northumbria Police for 30 years before retiring as a detective inspector three months after the Government's Hunting Act came into force in February last year.

He turned himself in to the police on both occasions to demonstrate that the 2004 Hunting Act was a "ridiculous law".

Under the legislation, moles and mice are classed as mammals that cannot be killed by dogs, although they can be shot by a competent huntsman.

Mr Morrison said he was not taken seriously when he reported himself, but was eventually cautioned. He was later told no further action would be taken.

When Chip repeated the offence, the matter was again brought to police attention and a sergeant and constable conducted a second interview.

Again the Crown Prosecution Service did not bring proceedings.

Mr Morrison, who lives with his wife Karen in the Tyne Valley, Northumberland, said: "I knew they wouldn't take me to court because there would have been a media frenzy. Putting myself in a police officer's role, this Act is a nightmare and something they didn't want to enforce."

Since retiring from the police service, he has remained as secretary of the 137-year-old Border Hunt, which was set up to control foxes over a large area of Northumberland and Roxburghshire.

He has gone public on the issue ahead of the second season of hunting since the ban came into effect to draw attention to the state of the law. Mr Morrison stressed that the hunt, which he will head out with next week, operated within the law.

"This law was not about animal welfare, it was about trying to get so-called toffs and red jackets," he said. "But it is rural communities it is affecting."

Chief Insp Simon Packham, of Northumbria Police, said: "We did refer two cases to the CPS regarding this individual, but no further action was taken."

The only material available to police against Mr Morrison were his own admissions in his statements.

A CPS spokesman said: "There was insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of a conviction."

Richard Dodd, the regional director of the Countryside Alliance, said: "George is helping to make the point that this law is not about foxes, but is about revenge from the Government about things such as the miners' strikes."
 

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a slight clue about why some policemen turn a blind eye to hunters being naughty

Whats your excuse for getting away with trespass, criminal damage e.t.c

Little test, lets send you off down one of your city streets in your balaclava with your iron poles of lumps of wood and see the policemans reaction shall we???
 

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why use a dog anyway? get a cat

And you call yourself an animal lover?

Hypocrite more like. Dogs kill pests. Cats, although brilliant mouse/rat catchers torment their prey and torture them before killing them....very humane!
 

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Of course according to the law he should have shot the mouse, an air rifle is useless against a running mouse, it would have had to have been a shot gun; I wonder if he could have been excused due to extenuating circumstances (damage to new kitchen units, risk to other family members, possible ricochet).

Best just to break the law I think, it's just too silly.
 

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OH shot a squiirel the other day, now that I have found out its illegal for lurch to kill them...mmm...well, made a hell of a mess of the front gate, looks like its got woodworm.
 

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion...but yours just takes the biscuit.

Cats are far crueller than any pack of hounds/terriers/lurchers. Why is it OK for you to support your cat but be against fox hounds?? I am gobsmacked.
 

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When I read the title of this post I actually though that a huntsman had actually turned himself into a policeman...........I'll go now

*Insert embarassed face here*

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my cat lives inside when she wants. we'vt got a cat door

So do we, it's called a front door, and a back door, and a side door....

We should be killing the mice for the cats...

My dog was only ever good at finding the mice the cats had hidden under things....

He prefered to kill birds, so he's still exempt from the hunting act.
 

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Right so to get my brain around this, if BD should actually manage to catch and kill a rat I should take myself, dog and dead rat down to the local police station and turn myself in?

Brilliant I wish she would actually catch one!!!!

Well the vision is of my carrying BD into the Police station, BD in turn would have rat hanging from mouth :grin: might make a pleasant change from the domestic violence and yobs they continually have to deal with!
 

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I know I shouldn't, but my mind is wandering to the 'description of damage done to kitchen units' and reasons for such damage section on the household insurance claim form..............


'Substantial destruction of larder unit and two appliances due to discharge of 12 bore in close proximity - due to attempted humane extermination of a small rodent'.
 

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Right so to get my brain around this, if BD should actually manage to catch and kill a rat I should take myself, dog and dead rat down to the local police station and turn myself in?

You would not be breaking the law if your dog caught a rat. Hunting rats and rabbits with a dog is exempt from the restrictions of the Hunting Act. You may ask why mice aren't also exempt - but I wouldn't be able to answer that.

You know, when I first read this story about the ex-policeman, my first thought was, what a waste of police time.
 

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I know I shouldn't, but my mind is wandering to the 'description of damage done to kitchen units' and reasons for such damage section on the household insurance claim form..............


'Substantial destruction of larder unit and two appliances due to discharge of 12 bore in close proximity - due to attempted humane extermination of a small rodent'.

You might well laugh! Several years ago we had a plague of mice, caught most of them (with terriers, not a cat in sight!) and one evaded capture despite all best efforts, including traps. One night, OH came indoors and there it was, large as life by the microwave. He happened to have the air gun in his hand on the way to the gun cabinet (which happens to be in a bedroom - don't ask!) so he did shoot it! Cue one squished mouse and holes chipped off the tiles which are there to this day. No one believes us when we tell them what happened!!
 

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion...but yours just takes the biscuit.

Cats are far crueller than any pack of hounds/terriers/lurchers. Why is it OK for you to support your cat but be against fox hounds?? I am gobsmacked.
Gosh ! I'd better get my vet to extract my cats teeth. Poor mice !
 

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Cats, although brilliant mouse/rat catchers torment their prey and torture them before killing them....very humane!

I don't think you can apply human standards to cat behaviour really. This 'playing' with their catch is actually juvenile behaviour, domestic cats apparently never really grow up (in their heads) so that's why their hunting behaviour stays like a kitten's would be.

Anyway, I am of the firm opinion that animals are not capable of cruelty as such, humans are the culprits on that score.
 

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Completely disagree Sue, what is humane about the way cats kill mice or baby birds? They may not know themselves they are being cruel but I don't think you can say its humane.
 

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The cat's owners know exactly what their pets do, or at least they should do. If I kept a dog that savaged children then I'd be held responsible for it. If I keep a cat which savages wild life then I'm responsible for it.

People who criticise hunting but keep cats are total hypocrits. We used to keep four cats and they were all let out at night, say each cat killed one animal a day, thats over a thousand a year.
 

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I expect I didn't put it very well, SM.

What I meant was, humane can't apply to animals, it refers to human behaviours. So, no, I wouldn't describe cats' behaviour as humane. The only way I would use humane in reference to animals would be to describe humans' treatment of said animals.

My personal belief is that animals don't have a concept of cruelty, they act according to their instincts on the whole.
 

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So then humans can be excused from the hunting issue. Its the hounds that make the kill therefore you can't class it as neither humane nor inhumane.

Surely?
 

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SM, maybe you are confusing me with someone else, I have never argued against hunting with hounds, I wouldn't dare, being someone who is too chicken hearted a rider to go hunting!
 
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