I am going to try brwt on Friday!

[catembi]

I have heard it mentioned on here and think that one or two people have tried it, so I'm going to give it a go and see what happens.

It's this https://www.bwrt.org/ and apparently it can make you braver riding. I would love to be gung ho again! I was competing at a decent level (1 m 15 BS/ novice BD) when Catembi died & since then (2007) I have had sick note horse after sick note horse, so my capability has slipped, and the explosive PSSM horses haven't helped my confidence.

It's time to stop being wet & get brave & reckless again, & I really hope this helps.

I will report back if anyone is interested.

 

[Skib]

I dont believe in bravery. I ride safe horses. And always have. My darling companions .

 

[Barton Bounty]

I like the idea! Im interested in following you

 

[Keith_Beef]

I'm interested in what this BWRT thing is... I've looked, and there are four practitioners in Paris, one of whom declares that she specialises on helping horse riders get their confidence back.

 

[[153312]]

very interesting! I was just saying to mum a few days ago I'd do anything to be able to ride again, but my confidence wasn't the best even before having 6 years away.....!

 

[catembi]

I do agree with having safe horses...!

The late Catembi was a spooky spinner & I used to spend a lot of time on my a**e in various warm-up arenas as he was worse at competitions. I used to hack him out 3 x week with the Sat or Sun hack (dep on competing schedule) being a long one, & we were often out for hours & really had the need for speed! Now I do NOT have the need for speed & wish I did! It was so long ago now that I can't really remember whether I actually truly enjoyed it or whether inside I was going, 'OMFG I want to get off...'

He was by Cruising and had more scope than I could ever need, & despite being extremely wet and not very talented I managed to jump him up to 1 m 25 ish in lessons. I was looking at my jump stands yesterday, joyfully dug out of storage in the hay barn now that Thor is un-retired, and I just could NOT believe how high 1 metre is. Discovery used to look SMALL at one time & now 60 cm looks BIG! I have a long, long way to go.

Thor has Cat's scope and elastic paces but is very safe, yet I still get the heeby-jeebies with very little provocation. I am 52...physically I am a gym bunny & am in better shape than I was at 20/25, so that's not the issue. It's all in my head. In his recent biography, William Shatner (Captain Kirk) says that every time he rides he's improving & is riding now at the age of 93 better than ever. That's what I want! If he can do it Western, then I can do it jumping!

 

[smiggy]

Sorry off topic but Captain Kirk, 93 ! God I feel old

 

[Jambarissa]

That sounds very interesting, please report back.

The website is a red flag for me, it seems to be pushing practitioner training not the actual therapy. A bit of a snake oil scheme?

I'd still love to hear how it goes, the brain is complex.

 

[ycbm]

That sounds very interesting, please report back.

The website is a red flag for me, it seems to be pushing practitioner training not the actual therapy. A bit of a snake oil scheme?

I'd still love to hear how it goes, the brain is complex.

Some good links in this

https://www.reddit.com/r/CPTSD/comments/uw6lkb

 

[catembi]

I am not using anyone through that particular website - it's a lady that I think one or two other people might have used. I just put the link as it gives the gist of what it's about for people who might not have heard of it. If it works, it works, if it doesn't then it will have been an interesting experience and I will just have to work up to being reckless again in baby steps...!

 

[catembi]

I also have an exploratory zoom session this morning about retraining the sleep cycle once it has been disrupted by meno. Perhaps someone would like to send me some links re why that's a load of rubbish too...?

Maybe it would be better not to post openly about the brwt. Never mind.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I have one of these booked at the end of October the person was recommended on here so I thought I would give it a go, my confidence is not what it was and it frustrates the hell out of me so I thought why not.

 

[PurBee]

A member not long ago mentioned it was very affective for regaining their riding confidence, so i researched it more and found other testimonials from people that have actually tried it, and it helped. If you feel drawn to it catembi, go for it!

Like with all ‘therapies‘ (allopathy included), they work for some and not others - everyone responds differently.

One thing for sure is known in neuropsychiatry, is that our thoughts create ‘neural networks’ in the mind, and persistent negative self-talk or trauma response can eventually have a negative manifested experience - so therapies like EMDR and CBT are similar to BWRT, in that they seek to change the ‘mind program of thoughts/responses’, which then goes on to manifest different outcomes in life.
The science behind neuro-psych issues is vastly more understood than how, crystals for instance, aid healing.

CBT was ’fringe’ before it was accepted as common protocol in psychotherapy. Everything starts off ‘fringe’ before it become better tested/understood.

Blanket cynicism just prevents progress.

 

[canteron]

I think as you get older most people have to work on their confidence - as well as strength, flexibility and general riding skill, if you want a chance of riding reasonably safely,
While the ‘bah humbug’ stiff upper lip approach works for a few ( actually I notice these types tend to have a fall and never get back on saying they have ‘lost interest’ to save face) the rest of us have to find a different path.

So thank you for sharing and please keep us updated on how it works for you.

 

[humblepie]

Best thing I found was Life of Bean on Twitter. Watching how Rosie laughed at his spirited approach to life just made me realise relax and call the horse a donut.

That’s not to underplay anything more scientific or really understanding how the mind works. I struggle with things like that and cannot visualise so something really simple worked for me.

Hope you enjoy it and it helps.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I also have an exploratory zoom session this morning about retraining the sleep cycle once it has been disrupted by meno. Perhaps someone would like to send me some links re why that's a load of rubbish too...?

Maybe it would be better not to post openly about the brwt. Never mind.

I will be really interested in how your session goes please update if you can, if you don't want to publicly please pm me

 

[Jambarissa]

Assuming it's not too expensive then guve it a go.

I tried TFT (the tapping thing) after a bad fall that I kept reliving and it worked to a certain extent.

Even placebos work for some people, give it a go and report back. I love these things.

 

[Fjord]

I've not heard of this, I'll have to have a look at it. The mind is a very powerful thing, and techniques that work for some don't necessarily work for others. I find it all very interesting and hope you find it useful.

 

[Cloball]

Please do report back, I'd love to feel a bit more confident.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I haven't heard of this either, I would be very interested to hear how your session goes with a view to potentially giving it a go myself..
Even if it's if it is a placebo or similar, if it works, it works - it doesn't matter why or how

 

[timefort]

I'm another who'd be really interested in how it goes and in hearing about the meno sleep resetting too. I spent years researching neural networks (albeit in a completely different setting) so in my mind I can see the neuro-psych benefits of positive mind-mapping (and of calling your horse a donut ).

Good luck

 

[Dustygirl]

I’m definitely interested in hearing how you get on. Also the meno sleep - I could use help with that at the moment !

 

[Quigleyandme]

I’d be very interested in reading if you find it helpful.

 

[Sloe]

Hi, I used Bwrt when at the point of selling my mare due to a number of factors including unscheduled dismounts, and her very erratic behaviour linked to hormones. I was too scared to canter as that is where I had been bronced off, and hacking and taking her out to comps and it was making mare very reactive to my nerves too. I add that she has been ridden by a pro regular (x2 a week) in all the time I have had her,so the issue was I think my nerves and her reactiveness. It made a massive difference to me. I had tried a lot of other stuff hypnotherapy , books etc but this method doesn’t require much other thought unless you are in the session so to speak . I am now happily cantering , taking her to comps and winning , and I’ve hacked her. I’ve also managed to sort the hormone issues but it saved me from selling my horse and I no longer have the nervous butterfly feeling when about to canter and I have to say if there are other stresses going on in your life this would address them also.

 

[Sloe]

Happy if you wanted to pm me I am a long time lurker but this is my first post on this forum.

 

[catembi]

It suddenly occurred to me while poo picking this morning (I have a LOT of poo to pick and a LOT of time to think), why don't I just use the 'user ignore' button and post what the hell I like...??!!! I have NO ONE to ask in RL, so I like to ask for people's thoughts on < insert random horse issue of the day > as it's often really, really helpful to have people's experiences. But if I ask something, then get a reply implying that my knowledge is deficient because I need to ask/I shouldn't be doing x anyway/my mgmt is deficient & I shouldn't have let the situation arise in the first place/whatever, then it stops this feeling like a safe place.

Anyway, my session is at 10. Then I have a dressage lesson at 12, so we shall see! That's probably not enough time for it to work, but who knows!

Re the meno sleep - the phone call was incredibly helpful. The lady wasn't clock watching & didn't push her course at all - it's CBT-i. She identified several insightful things that I could try changing. For e.g., having a snack at bed time to try not to get woken up by low carbs. When I wake up in the night, I have been writing down the time to see if there's a pattern. She said that I should stop doing that as it might be giving me sleep anxiety. Also I have no downtime at all - probably due to ADHD. I need to have 5 minute periods throughout the day to concentrate on just breathing. And to start using an alarm clock. All things I wouldn't have thought of. I have been trying it for a few days - no difference. She said that dreaming a lot & being able to remember dreams is bad, not good, because I'm not getting restorative deep sleep and that's why I am always exhausted, despite not particularly having trouble going to sleep and not lying awake for hours.

I have got a nasty feeling that alcohol might have something to do with it. I usually only drink on a Fri & a Sat, and stick to two drinks, but this week I have been on leave, so 'allowed' to drink every day. Still no more than two. I am not sure whether to stop altogether. I do really enjoy my Fri & Sat drinks but I do NOT enjoy unrefreshing sleep! Perhaps if I stop, the other tips would work? I really don't want to give up my Fri & Sat drinks though! Maybe I will try a sober fortnight, plus all the tips, see what happens & then book to do the course. Aarrgghhh to no drinking!

 

[southerncomfort]

I doubt very much that a couple of drinks at the weekend would affect your sleep for the rest of the week, although I will say that I cut down from 2 glasses to 1, and I do sleep a bit better for it.

If you have an Android phone, their is an excellent app called Let's Meditate. The app is free and there are lots of different meditations you can download to your phone.

I find them really useful if I'm going through a period of high anxiety, and there are a couple that you can use to help get you off to sleep.

Interested to hear how you get on today.

 

[catembi]

I have an iphone, but there will probably be something similar

I don't tend to have trouble going to sleep - I just wake up unrefreshed & the lady said that it's because I get stuck at the 'dream' stage & don't go deeper. Good old menopause!

 

[timefort]

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Thank you for writing up your sleep findings, interesting about the low carbs waking you. I can fall asleep relatively easily but wake up in the night starving. I had always thought that I shouldn't be eating right before bed but someone I don't know in the internet has just given me permission for a snack, so thank you .

I'll be very interested to hear how your session and subsequent dressage lesson goes/went. Good luck.

 

[[153312]]

I also have an exploratory zoom session this morning about retraining the sleep cycle once it has been disrupted by meno. Perhaps someone would like to send me some links re why that's a load of rubbish too...?

Maybe it would be better not to post openly about the brwt. Never mind.

no, please post about it. I've been wondering how you got on, it was today wasn't it?