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VictoriaEDT

VictoriaEDT

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I refer to this post:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/sh...rue#Post4667659

You guys know I am passionate about dentistry and do all i can to advise you best with your horses dental problems and try to point you in the right direction when you are looking for an EDT. Although I cover a lot of the areas that you are looking, not once have I suggested you use me - I have always pointed to someone else as I dont want you to think that I am on here for my own gain.

So when I get replies like the one above, suggesting that I dont know what I am talking about etc, it does annoy me a little.
I know what I said is true.

I am here to help your horses and advise you when you are worried about something or need something clarifying.......not to be leapt on (unless of course I am wrong in what i say, then you can leap all you like).
 
The faceless joys of the internet for you. Often you find that people will question and 'face up' to you online, when they wouldn't face to face.

I checked your name on the list against the area on your profile, so I'll trust what you say (plus I know my EDT is on the list, Tom Philips).
 
Just read your other post. Chap in question is registered with the 'International Association of Equine Dentistry' I know he did his training in the USA. Is this not a recognised qualification ?
I am not having a pop at you - I genuinely thought it was, as I have let him do my horses teeth before and I have not had an issue with his work. TBH I thought he was very good.
 
No, unfortunately this is not a recognised qualification in the UK

This doenst mean he is "no good" it just means he is not qualified here. I have US qualifications but they mean nothing here.
 
Out of interest (I am not trying to be difficult/argumentative at all) but how different are the American methods to UK? As all horses teeth are the same (I'm assuming American horses have the same teeth as English?) and he is qualified in America surely he must be as good as those qualified in the UK?
 
Fair play, but as you are here for questions, I have a few. Are vets not qualified to do equine dentistry? I have used vets for my horse's teeth and they were a waste of time and money. Why are the dentistry qualifications any better? Who does the regulating, how hard/easy is it to get qualified and does a qualification IYO genuinely certify that the EDT will do a good job? For example, I know a lot of totally qualified saddlers who take people's money and sell saddles that don't fit, to the extent that I know I need a good idea of what fits, as the qualification doesn't mean you can trust them, is dentistry any different and if it is, how so?
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Fair play, but as you are here for questions, I have a few. Are vets not qualified to do equine dentistry? I have used vets for my horse's teeth and they were a waste of time and money. Why are the dentistry qualifications any better? Who does the regulating, how hard/easy is it to get qualified and does a qualification IYO genuinely certify that the EDT will do a good job? For example, I know a lot of totally qualified saddlers who take people's money and sell saddles that don't fit, to the extent that I know I need a good idea of what fits, as the qualification doesn't mean you can trust them, is dentistry any different and if it is, how so?
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You are so right, just because someone is qualified doesn't mean they are any good, this goes for saddlers, vets and dentists, and I dare say many others!!!
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To be honest all these threads on EDTs are very tit for tat...

Some dentists are not qualified with BEVA but have been doing it years and have many happy customers and happy horses.

I would much rather have my horse happy and going nicely in his mouth being done by non BEVA qualified EDT than go through what i witnessed with a friends pony - with a VERY AGGRESSIVE EDT - but it must be ok as he is qualified with BEVA???

This isnt aimed at you in particular Victoria EDT but it does seem that some of you are more interested in slating other peoples work rather than letting your own work speak for itself?

ETS - my EDT does have qualifiactions but isnt BEVA reg
 
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Fair play, but as you are here for questions, I have a few. Are vets not qualified to do equine dentistry? I have used vets for my horse's teeth and they were a waste of time and money. Why are the dentistry qualifications any better? Who does the regulating, how hard/easy is it to get qualified and does a qualification IYO genuinely certify that the EDT will do a good job? For example, I know a lot of totally qualified saddlers who take people's money and sell saddles that don't fit, to the extent that I know I need a good idea of what fits, as the qualification doesn't mean you can trust them, is dentistry any different and if it is, how so?
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You are so right, just because someone is qualified doesn't mean they are any good, this goes for saddlers, vets and dentists, and I dare say many others!!!
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Agee with all the above.

Victoria, may I say something to you - it is starting to seem (imo) that you are now jumping on every post that has anything to do with dentistry and spouting on about all these edt's that are " not qualified" over here and how American qualifications are not recognised.

I understand that you are passionate about dentistry and I totally respect you for that but............... The American qualifications are still ..........qualifications, as are the English ones and " dare I say this?" it seems to me that in a lot of equine areas the Americans are years ahead of us ( I have spent a lot of time working in their vet facilities so have seen first hand for myself)

As I have said before - the "original" edt's who got together and formed your association gained their qualifications in the States anyway.
 
from my point of view i would always choose a qualified EDT over one that has no 'recognised' qualifications - if something was to go wrong, i'm not sure how insurance companies would look at cover if you used an unregistered EDT. I feel far more comfortable with someone that has the back up of an official organisation and recognised in this way... but this is just my own personal preference.

Victoria EDT i dont think i've ever commented on any of your posts, but think you offer sound and practical advice on the posts i have read in the past, maybe you should promote yourself more (but still adhear to the advertising rules on HHO of course!)
 
You are right Araminta and that is exactly what I was going to say. About 90% of the qualified EDTs in this country started their training in the states including me.

I spent quite a few months in Idaho training and I believe this is the best place in the world to start your career. However, I believe once you get to a certain level, I think american EDTs are too aggressive in their work (with regards to the amount of tooth they remove) and I have seen all too many cases where horses have not been able to eat afterwards at all.

I still believe though that USA is the best place to start as long as you take in the good bits and draw the line at practising the over aggressive stuff.
 
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Just read your other post. Chap in question is registered with the 'International Association of Equine Dentistry' I know he did his training in the USA. Is this not a recognised qualification ?


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The IAED has 'members' - and certified members. Certified members have to pass an exam that APPROACHES (but does not quite reach IMHO) the standard of the BEVA exam. So if he is a CERTIFIED member of IAED, he is probably pretty competent - but the qualification is NOT recognised in the UK. If he's just a member, then he's never killed a horse to their knowledge - or had a major complaint made against him.
 
Answer to Flames post:

Yes vets are trained to do dentistry but when at vet school they have about 3-6 hours training on teeth. Everything else they learn as they go along on clients horses. (This info came from a vet who is now a qualified EDT)

No, vets dont automatically qualify as a BEVA EDT

To gain my BEVA qualifications, it took 4 years and that is after 3 years of getting an equine science degree.

DEFRA and RCVS do the regulating in conjunction with BEVA

I cant stipulate enough how difficult it is to get BEVA qualified, about 75% of people that take it fail the exams. In fact this year, two vets failed the exam so it is certainly not an "apply and you are likely to pass" scenario.

I cant say that you will be happy with EVERY BEVA EDT, which is why you should still go word of mouth. As Vicki Krystal said, you may not approve of the way they handle horses. Some BEVA EDTs passed the exam many many years ago and I believe the BAEDT are introducing compulsory career development courses to try to make sure that these guys keep up the good work.

I cant say that they are all perfect but I can say that the exam is extremely difficult and the stardard of work required in order to pass is extremely high.
 
QR I have recently had a vet who is also a qualified EDT to our horses. She did an excellent job and horses now appear to be more comfortable. Our most recent acquisition had had work done with previous owner but her teeth were very rough and she was obviously uncomfortable (in hindsight). Previously we have asked the vet to do the teeth at the same time as innoculations, BUT one inexperienced vet rasped our very well-mannered cob's tongue, drawing blood, so we decided to changed our policy.
 
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I refer to this post:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/sh...rue#Post4667659

You guys know I am passionate about dentistry and do all i can to advise you best with your horses dental problems and try to point you in the right direction when you are looking for an EDT. Although I cover a lot of the areas that you are looking, not once have I suggested you use me - I have always pointed to someone else as I dont want you to think that I am on here for my own gain.

So when I get replies like the one above, suggesting that I dont know what I am talking about etc, it does annoy me a little.
I know what I said is true.

I am here to help your horses and advise you when you are worried about something or need something clarifying.......not to be leapt on (unless of course I am wrong in what i say, then you can leap all you like).

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No one said you didn't know what you were talking about? Or is there another thread this relates to too?
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There are many, many, very experienced and well qualified people in a variety of fields of horsemanship who are kind enough to offer help and advice on HHO- that doesn't make them beyond reproach though, or their opinions the gospel truth. That's the beauty of this place- it's full of different views and opinions and people willing to debate and discuss things
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I honestly think it is a good thing that people take stuff they read on here with a pinch of salt, I certainly wouldn't take it personally especially as I'm sure there are loads of people who are really grateful for your help and advice
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No one said you didn't know what you were talking about? Or is there another thread this relates to too?
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Well yes they did actually Lzt - VictoriaEDT said that an individual was not a registered EDT, and Beano (I think) responded "yes he is get your facts right" or words to that effect
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That certainly suggests to me that Beano was indicating that VEDT didnt know what she was talking about
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really don't know about the rest of you but i go on personal recommendation when deciding who will work on my animals not on a long list of letters after thier name. Then if i see results and the animal prospering then i would be happy to recommend them, or not,The problem with us horsey people is that we are very fickle and are easily swayed unfortunatly sometimes by people who shout very loud. The EDT i use is not a member of the BEVA club they are however very good and gets results also insured. To set the insurrance question straight i made a phone call and was told that as long as they work within the guide lines set out in the vet act they are covered so don't get put off by people who scare monger on the thier not insurred front. just booked my EDT for two weeks time.
 
Thanks very much for answering my questions. I'm still on the fence about all the dentistry arguments, and I appreciate you telling me a bit more about it.
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really don't know about the rest of you but i go on personal recommendation when deciding who will work on my animals not on a long list of letters after thier name. Then if i see results and the animal prospering then i would be happy to recommend them, or not,The problem with us horsey people is that we are very fickle and are easily swayed unfortunatly sometimes by people who shout very loud. The EDT i use is not a member of the BEVA club they are however very good and gets results also insured. To set the insurrance question straight i made a phone call and was told that as long as they work within the guide lines set out in the vet act they are covered so don't get put off by people who scare monger on the thier not insurred front. just booked my EDT for two weeks time.

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I agree with this - people can be very fickle and can sometimes be swayed by clever talk or what other people think.

A quick little example for you:-

A while agao I "lost" a whole yard of horses that I had treated for a good few years. Word got back to me that they were now using a guy that I know has all the chat and is twice as expensive (so must be twice as good). Thats was fine - I don't have a problem with that. However, several months down the line a few of the horses began to have problems and I started to get phone calls asking if they could make an appointment! Fasr forward to now. I have all the horses on that yard back plus a few more ( friends of friends) by word of mouth.

The most interesting thing is that nobody on the yard "mentioned" that they had tried somebody else., and I have never let on that I knew - until now.

What goes around comes around.
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