I don't think some people can add up...

[olop]

Before I met my OH I was on my own for a while & earning 18k - I could not afford to live away from my parents on that wage, that is even before I started taking my boy's costs into the equation.

Those figures are rediculous - to live on that wage you would need to either live at home (with parents) or in a hostel.

Really gives all the youngsters across the country something to live for don't you think??

 

[Tiny Fluffy Coblet]

Before I met my OH I

This is also a common thread - those of us who aren't lucky enough to have an OH to split the bills with (bearing in mind it is cheaper to get 1x 2bed than 2x 1 bed on housing and bills/food ect are cheaper together) are in a difficult position. I have no OH, there isn't much chance of me having one within the next year minimum (I wouldn't move in with someone without knowing them for at least 6 month/a year first) I am penalised for being single as well.

 

[EAST KENT]

There are many many more in just the same position... This is my point. The people who are responsible about bringing children into this world are abstaining for perfectly valid reasons whereas those that don't seem to care all that much are popping them out two a penny so they can get a boob job.

This is going to cause devolution. We are going to end up being a nation of thick necked fools who simply can't keep up with the worlds society. We will fall behind on industry, our own society will no longer bother to push for inovation, learning social skills, work ethics etc. The few who are born to good parents will flee as soon as possible and we will loose all balance in society... Bad news - very bad news... Since when has it EVER been a boasting point to be on benefits and now thats what we have while those who do work and have a strong social ethic are punished beyond the realms for trying to live a decent life. By decent I mean roof over head clean and tidy and not sponging from others just normal I guess!

Oh Lordy Paddy, we reached that point already in my opinion; it is quite terrifying how our so called education has failed so many.One I know has (said proudly) nine GCSE`s and has`nt a clue where Wales is in relation to Kent...or anywhere else either.Scarey to see how ignorant she is ..and with a supposedly decent school result. Oh and her OH is positively neanderthal in his lack of intelligence..but these are the normal folk in our country.There is no longer a thirst for education in our culture,just an acceptance that the state will provide.I run a breeding kennel,hard manial labour ,insisting as I do on a good standard of care and cleanliness it has become impossible to employ youngsters who have no work ethic nor will accept any form of correction if a job is done inadequately.The same now is apparent in the NHS and paid "carers"..who don`t care at all. What other country,BTW , PAYS children to look after their PARENTS in old age??? Unbelievable!
I have a very obese friend ,"waiting" for bariatric surgery to prevent her stuffing her face ,she can afford to pay herself,esp as all these private schemes have a never-never payment option..BUT she chooses to let you,me and the State pay for it.
If I were younger I would bugger off elsewhere too.Cannot abide all these scroungers

 

[Paddydou]

Oh EK stop passing me that soap box because I am desperate to stamp my feet on it!

Two points to throw fat into the fire.

Why on earth are we allowing what is effectivly a publicly owned bank that is STILL making a loss to give its senior staff a bloody hefty great big bonus that consists of more money than many could earn in a life time instead of using that money to get itself back into profit and pay the damned rescue money back???

Why is the NHS being given more stress by having more demands placed on it as people want tatoos removed because they made a mistake when they were younger in getting it? HELLO! You made the bloody choice you had the bloody thing painted on knowing full well it was for life and not just the 60's get off your ass and let the NHS pay for a few heart by passes or cancer treatments. But no you want to wear a short sleved top so that makes you so much more important. We were all young once we all did silly things but we all have to face the concequences of our actions. Why should someones Granny suffer so they can have a removal for free? Why should someones new born go with out emergency care just because they were a wild child at 18? Bloody people.

I could make more points but will have to stop there before I start giving myself health problems! Bloody people really have no clue about real life on the ground do they. Last year I over heard some 16 year old kids talking about how they wouldn't shovel **** or even bother getting out of bed for less than £8 per hour. Its a sign of the times it really is. Labour were in power for far too long. I really do feel for you trying to get decent employees I really do. What happened to starting at the bottom and learning from experiance? Now everyone expects to be a millionaire for nothing.