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Clodagh

Clodagh

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This is long, I have nothing better to do!

Person A. Has a twelve month old lab dog, he is poorly socialised and timid.
Person B. Has two adult lab dogs, both bullies and untrained.

They met out walking, the two adult labs chased and bowled over and bit (broke the skin) of the young lab. He managed to get up and get back to his owner, both were screaming at this point (dog and owner). Two labs continued going for him so owner A gave them both a solid booting to keep them off his dog who was hiding between his legs. He was also verbally aggressive to person B. (Verbally aggressive!? He is lucky it wasn't me, I'd have shown him verbal aggression).
Person B is outraged as that is just how dogs interact, and if Person A's dog hadn't been frightened but had stood his ground thery would have left him alone, it is the young dogs fault for screaming and running to hide. WTF!?
Poor Person A, and poor young dog.
I always thought it was quite difficult to make an unpleasant labrador (contrary to what many of you have said on here) so now I see it can be done. Idiots.
 
I read an interesting article on Facebook the other day where the auther was saying the trend for "socialising" dogs these days is causing issues as instead of teaching dogs to be neutral and ignore strangers and others dogs instead they are teaching their dogs that anyone and everything is a huge source of fun and excitement and how it leads to over aroused dogs that do exactly what owner Bs dogs did. Why can't people see that it is much less stressful with dog neutral dogs and we should be courteous to others.
 
I’m just amazed that people don’t seem to know their own dogs. I can’t think of anything more stressful than walking a dog who’s going to cause conflict, whether well meaning or not. The only way to avoid that and if your dog is overly friendly and likely to not read signals from other dogs, is to either teach them to leave other dogs alone or keep them on a lead.

A neighbour has an overly friendly dog and has been shouted at a few times. She thinks her dog is ok because it doesn’t retaliate when something tells it off. She doesn’t seem to understand the stress it causes naturally timid dogs who really don’t want to have to snap at it.
 
My late mother, who had many Labs in her lifetime and bred them for a short while, always said that the only dog that had ever bitten her was a Lab (not her own), which jumped out of its garden at her when she was on her way to school. It's owner thought it amusing to have an untrustworthy dog.

I agree that 'socialising' can cause more problems than it solves. My neighbour's dog is petrified of others because people walk their dogs across neighbour's land without leads, and try to 'play' with her, despite the notice on the gate. Mind you I do blame neighbour for not challenging the dog owners.
 
Why don't people teach absolute spot on recall? I mean proper 100% every time recall, and preferably a stop as well. No one would drive a car with no brakes, or hack a horse with no control, why would you want dogs you can't stop?

I agree about the socailising, mine are dog neutral, although Pen has to be watched as she can bound up to them if allowed to. I also think not letting a pup interact until it is 14 weeks old or whatever is recommended nowadays is a recipe for disaster.
 
Clodagh said:
Why don't people teach absolute spot on recall? I mean proper 100% every time recall, and preferably a stop as well. No one would drive a car with no brakes, or hack a horse with no control, why would you want dogs you can't stop?
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they don't know how. or they give up when the dog starts testing them at about 6 months old because it can be a lot of work.

Totally agree that many puppy socialisation classes are helping to cause this issue-made that mistake myself-and its the only dog class/training that the majority of dog owners go to.

And people rationalise their dog's bad behaviour for all sorts of things-killing sheep, attacking horses, bowling other dogs over, jumping up etc etc etc
 
Clodagh I met Luna again yesterday lol :)

She was running up and down a fence barking with her hackles up and tail flying as my dog and I walked past ignoring her and her owner chatted to his mate. We went through an underpass while she almost ran up an embankment and onto the main road in a bid to follow us.
Owners response was to say 'Luna...Luna...Luna".

As we disappeared, no doubt Luna congratulated herself on bravely chasing away the scary threat *on the other side of the big fence* and her owner wondered why weakly repeating his dog's name is doing nothing to stop unwanted behaviours :p
 
I thank my lucky stars most days that I can choose to avoid joe public and their dogs if I want, although at the moment I am in the process of "socialising" my six month old GSD pup. Socialising for me though is keeping my pup's attention on to me and his engaging with me while there are other dogs around. I will allow him to say hi to friendly dogs who I know won't cause problems but then once he has had a quick minute or two call him and we go on our way. His father is dog neutral (and came to me that way) and that is exactly how I want his son to behave.
 
I’ve met a lot of nasty tempered labradors, mostly bounding up to my on-lead greyhounds/lurchers and getting in their faces aggressively - there are some bloody awful temperaments out there now with labs 😡 Their owners are made aware of this in no uncertain terms....
 
CorvusCorax said:
But correct socialising isn't letting your dog approach/and/or tear-arse around with any other dogs that yours meets. It just teaches the dog that everything and everyone else is more exciting than you.
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This.

I am working on our young collie making sure that she ignores others and stays on me.

I made the mistake of going up the feild next to me to meet my sister, grandma and her small jack Russell.
There was too much stimulation for her and blew her mind so I brought her home.
She worries, nothing been done to her she just has a natural tenancy to worry.
I mainly walk her at the farm round the feild or the local woods where we rarely meet people which I think hasnt helped her being excited to see other dogs. We are doing will with the bits of crowded walking we do do on the lead but it will be a while before I let her off round others again.

With mine she is fine and comes back when called no problem. Which has been work getting her to as she had latched onto my older collie but I can now call her back and the other two be ahead no problem. So it's just transferring that to the local feild.
 
Moobli said:
I thank my lucky stars most days that I can choose to avoid joe public and their dogs if I want, although at the moment I am in the process of "socialising" my six month old GSD pup. Socialising for me though is keeping my pup's attention on to me and his engaging with me while there are other dogs around. I will allow him to say hi to friendly dogs who I know won't cause problems but then once he has had a quick minute or two call him and we go on our way. His father is dog neutral (and came to me that way) and that is exactly how I want his son to behave.
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We are lucky in that I so rarely see another dog out on a walk, I never even take a lead with me (and yes I know I should).
Mine only see other dogs when they are at work, and other dogs are far less interesting than retrieving.
 
Levrier said:
I’ve met a lot of nasty tempered labradors, mostly bounding up to my on-lead greyhounds/lurchers and getting in their faces aggressively - there are some bloody awful temperaments out there now with labs 😡 Their owners are made aware of this in no uncertain terms....
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I can honestly say I’ve never met a pleasant labrador while out and about. There’s a chap in the village with a chocolate and a yellow and the chocolate is frightful. Seriously aggressive with dogs.

Willow has zero recall and shows an unhealthy and wally brained interest in other dogs therefore she stays on a lead. She gets to meet other dogs (apart from the others at home) but it’s in a controlled manner.

If I ever hear someone constantly shouting their dog, I generally walk the other way because I want to avoid what you have described :p
 
My strangest experience of an out of control lab was rather comic, in an eye rolling way. The animal came up to me out of nowhere, stood on his hind legs and clasped one of my legs with his front paws while vigorously humping it! The two elderly men with him just stood sniggering a short distance away. WTF??!!

My worst one was of a lab who came flying at me and my three on lead dogs from across the heath and seemed unable to understand what Rosie meant by barking savagely at him until he was so close she actually made contact, at which point he backed off slightly. While lunging at the lab, Rosie's skull hit my leg with so much force, I could barely walk afterwards and carried a massive bruise for days afterwards. The owner eventually decided to come and get his dog and apologised, asking me if I was ok sitting there in the heather clutching my leg. :rolleyes: Have some lines of labradors been bred minus any degree of preservation instinct?

PS. I have met some nice ones too!
 
My experience of labs isn't great either I have to admit. Though most I see out walking are pets - all the working labs I know are delightful. And for some reason the chocolate labs seem by far the worst, particularly for having aggressive tendencies.

I do wonder whether it is because people often buy them because they think that they are an easy family dog, and therefore are the sort of people who are unlikely to want to put a decent amount of effort into training them properly....?
 
planete said:
Have some lines of labradors been bred minus any degree of preservation instinct?
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I think that's it. My older dog couldn't display any more of a 'go away and leave me alone' stance, yet it's Labs that bomb up to him from a great distance, usually barking, and stick their head up his arse or try and hump him.
 
DabDab said:
My experience of labs isn't great either I have to admit. Though most I see out walking are pets - all the working labs I know are delightful. And for some reason the chocolate labs seem by far the worst, particularly for having aggressive tendencies.

I do wonder whether it is because people often buy them because they think that they are an easy family dog, and therefore are the sort of people who are unlikely to want to put a decent amount of effort into training them properly....?
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Smaller gene pool too I imagine. Happens when you breed for a colour/any single issue. The bad as well as the good is magnified....
 
Clodagh said:
This is long, I have nothing better to do!

Person A. Has a twelve month old lab dog, he is poorly socialised and timid.
Person B. Has two adult lab dogs, both bullies and untrained.

They met out walking, the two adult labs chased and bowled over and bit (broke the skin) of the young lab. He managed to get up and get back to his owner, both were screaming at this point (dog and owner). Two labs continued going for him so owner A gave them both a solid booting to keep them off his dog who was hiding between his legs. He was also verbally aggressive to person B. (Verbally aggressive!? He is lucky it wasn't me, I'd have shown him verbal aggression).
Person B is outraged as that is just how dogs interact, and if Person A's dog hadn't been frightened but had stood his ground thery would have left him alone, it is the young dogs fault for screaming and running to hide. WTF!?
Poor Person A, and poor young dog.
I always thought it was quite difficult to make an unpleasant labrador (contrary to what many of you have said on here) so now I see it can be done. Idiots.
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Person A was very restrained imo.
 
planete said:
My strangest experience of an out of control lab was rather comic, in an eye rolling way. The animal came up to me out of nowhere, stood on his hind legs and clasped one of my legs with his front paws while vigorously humping it! The two elderly men with him just stood sniggering a short distance away. WTF??!!

My worst one was of a lab who came flying at me and my three on lead dogs from across the heath and seemed unable to understand what Rosie meant by barking savagely at him until he was so close she actually made contact, at which point he backed off slightly. While lunging at the lab, Rosie's skull hit my leg with so much force, I could barely walk afterwards and carried a massive bruise for days afterwards. The owner eventually decided to come and get his dog and apologised, asking me if I was ok sitting there in the heather clutching my leg. :rolleyes: Have some lines of labradors been bred minus any degree of preservation instinct?

PS. I have met some nice ones too!
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Was it a yellow Labrador?
 
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