I thought pros thought shooting animals was cruel?
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flying_change
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Not quite. Pros shoot the foxes first, then tell us it was cruel.
avalcalab
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Plus, the shoot deer then chase others with hounds, with the defence that shooting them is cruel. It's an indication of their arrogance that they don't expect anyone to spot the inconsistency.
Hercules
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Not at all. I do a fair amount of shooting and thoroughly enjoy it. However, even as a relatively good shot I can not guarantee a clean kill.
Ereiam_jh
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I would imagine that 'pros' think all sorts of different things.
Prejudiced and bigoted antis think they all say the same thing, or maybe they lump them all together so they don't have to engage with their arguments.
Prejudiced and bigoted antis think they all say the same thing, or maybe they lump them all together so they don't have to engage with their arguments.
Ereiam_jh
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Isn't it antis who are so pro-shooting that they support a law making it illegal NOT to shoot flushed out deer?
Sheltie
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if any one hear does shoot adive would be welcome see rabbit post in soapbox,thanks
Fairynuff
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You been taking snifters of the Glen Livet again Sheltie? Sorry, dont understand your post 
Mairi.
Mairi.AlanE
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No,Avilc, it is shooting and wounding which is cruel.
Some percentage of 'normal' shooting will always result in this happening. It very, very rarely happens with deer hunting because the animal is standing at bay and the shot is taken from a few yards away.
So why are the antis, who claim to want to make things LESS cruel, actually making them MORE cruel?...
Some percentage of 'normal' shooting will always result in this happening. It very, very rarely happens with deer hunting because the animal is standing at bay and the shot is taken from a few yards away.
So why are the antis, who claim to want to make things LESS cruel, actually making them MORE cruel?...
avalcalab
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How about stalking a deer and then shooting it. Do you object to that, AlanE?
Ereiam_jh
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What do you think about letting deer go rather than shooting them if they are flushed out by dogs. Do you object to that avalcalab?
Sheltie
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I had a post asking advice on shooting in the soapbox but throught that people in the hunting forum might know know more.
Doreys_Mum
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I find shooting any large mammals cruel, yes.
I have skinned a hare to see the damage a shotgun did to it's guts.
Perhaps showing you antis video after video of hares screaming, deer running away with shattered legs, foxes lying in ditches with gangrenous wounds, photos of skinned animals showing their guts torn to shreds, xrays of animals showing pellets from years gone by and photos of grinning rednecks next to corpse after corpse after corpse where every living animal within range was shot for shits and giggles, you'd be as against it as I am.
Because believe me, it's an awful lot worse for the poor things than hunting ever was!
I have skinned a hare to see the damage a shotgun did to it's guts.
Perhaps showing you antis video after video of hares screaming, deer running away with shattered legs, foxes lying in ditches with gangrenous wounds, photos of skinned animals showing their guts torn to shreds, xrays of animals showing pellets from years gone by and photos of grinning rednecks next to corpse after corpse after corpse where every living animal within range was shot for shits and giggles, you'd be as against it as I am.
Because believe me, it's an awful lot worse for the poor things than hunting ever was!
AlanE
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No objection to that, Avalcal, but not practical on Exmoor du4e to small land-holdings (except NT etc)
wurzel
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You miss the point entirely.
I tolerate the deer on my land partly because I like to see some and partly because I like hunting them.
This goes for must others on Exmoor aprt from a few incomers.
We also shoot one every now and then for eating.
But why should I have any ?
They cost me money.
I would be better off if I shot them all.
If hunting stops i may do just that.
I tolerate the deer on my land partly because I like to see some and partly because I like hunting them.
This goes for must others on Exmoor aprt from a few incomers.
We also shoot one every now and then for eating.
But why should I have any ?
They cost me money.
I would be better off if I shot them all.
If hunting stops i may do just that.
avalcalab
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85% of deer on Exmoor are shot without being chased.
Ereiam_jh
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Do you have any figures for how many are chased without being shot? Onmy farm it's round about a hundred percent.
Except the Stag hunt was there ths week so they might have
a difference to that figure.
I've tried to persuade them to let some of the deer escape that they flush out, but they can't because it would give the League the possibility to prosecute them. That seems a shame. Proper deer management involves not killing all the deer but selecting which one's to kill. It's a real moity they are no longer allowed to do that but have to kill them all.
Do you think flushed out deer should have to be shot?
Is it cruel to let them escape?
Except the Stag hunt was there ths week so they might have
a difference to that figure.
I've tried to persuade them to let some of the deer escape that they flush out, but they can't because it would give the League the possibility to prosecute them. That seems a shame. Proper deer management involves not killing all the deer but selecting which one's to kill. It's a real moity they are no longer allowed to do that but have to kill them all.
Do you think flushed out deer should have to be shot?
Is it cruel to let them escape?
wurzel
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"85% of deer on Exmoor are shot without being chased."
You sound like an expert on Exmoor.
So should I shoot 85% of the deer on my farm or 100% ?
I don't expect an answer.
You sound like an expert on Exmoor.
So should I shoot 85% of the deer on my farm or 100% ?
I don't expect an answer.
avalcalab
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Suddenly even pros are saying it's OK to shoot deer without chasing them first. Some mistake surely!?
wurzel
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Suddenly ?
I tolerate the deer partly because of hunting.
They are too expensive to keep for free.
No hunting, no deer.
I tolerate the deer partly because of hunting.
They are too expensive to keep for free.
No hunting, no deer.
avalcalab
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Why chase them with hounds if it's OK just to shoot them?
Ereiam_jh
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Why shoot them if you've only flushed them out?
wurzel
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Because it is fun to chase them, it disperses the herd, and it ensures the survival of the deer.
It is very difficult to shoot them. It is not the Highlands of Scotland.
Despite what you want I don't think I will shoot them all.
We don't want a situation like 1946 do we?
It is very difficult to shoot them. It is not the Highlands of Scotland.
Despite what you want I don't think I will shoot them all.
We don't want a situation like 1946 do we?
avalcalab
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Hunting with hounds only disperses deer on a temporary basis: Lord Burns. 85% of deer on Exmoor are shot without being chased: ditto. Amazingly herds of deer survive throughout the UK even though no hounds ever chase them.
Which leaves us with: "Because it is fun to chase them".
Which leaves us with: "Because it is fun to chase them".
wurzel
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"Hunting with hounds only disperses deer on a temporary basis: Lord Burns."
Good old Lord Burns !! Permanent dispersal means i kill them all.
Is that what you want ?
How often do you tolerate deer on your fields ?
"85% of deer on Exmoor are shot without being chased:"
I shoot about one a year, maybe two.
The hunt pass or come nearby about 20 times.
Does'nt seem to add up. !!!
"Amazingly herds of deer survive throughout the UK even though no hounds ever chase them. "
Amazingly, not Red deer !!!
And what happened during WW2?
Or between 1825 and 1855 ? How many deer were there then?
Do you know anything about this subject ?
Burrs with pearls?
And yes, a long Stag hunt is great fun. It is what I have done all my life and what i will be doing tomorrow.!
Good old Lord Burns !! Permanent dispersal means i kill them all.
Is that what you want ?
How often do you tolerate deer on your fields ?
"85% of deer on Exmoor are shot without being chased:"
I shoot about one a year, maybe two.
The hunt pass or come nearby about 20 times.
Does'nt seem to add up. !!!
"Amazingly herds of deer survive throughout the UK even though no hounds ever chase them. "
Amazingly, not Red deer !!!
And what happened during WW2?
Or between 1825 and 1855 ? How many deer were there then?
Do you know anything about this subject ?
Burrs with pearls?
And yes, a long Stag hunt is great fun. It is what I have done all my life and what i will be doing tomorrow.!
Ereiam_jh
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"Hunting with hounds only disperses deer on a temporary basis:" But I only want to disperse them on a temporary basis. That way when they come back I can disperse them again.
Defra say that flushed out deer must be shot in order to prevent them being persistently flushed out.
In other words if you flush them out then eventually they will come back and you'll flush them out again, so to prevent this happening the law says that you must shoot them.
Defra say that flushed out deer must be shot in order to prevent them being persistently flushed out.
In other words if you flush them out then eventually they will come back and you'll flush them out again, so to prevent this happening the law says that you must shoot them.