If the new horse tax is £100, how are we all going to afford it?

Horse do get African Horse sickness. So how many outbreaks have there been int he UK?......oh none....

ETS - if they want to treat horses as farm animals they should do it properly, no more VAT, no business rates and different planning laws.
 
I dont see how they can get this tax approved theres so much debate on it. If you have a pony on loan,who pays the tax on that,(owner has passport and wont give it up).
 
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I dont see how they can get this tax approved theres so much debate on it. If you have a pony on loan,who pays the tax on that,(owner has passport and wont give it up).

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Sadly they are the govt, they can do whatever they like.
 
Can you imagine how many horses would be abandoned or end up as meat? ughhh the idea.I could NEVER part with my boy,Id have to find the money somehow.
I hate labour.
 
They seem to think up these ridiculous laws to appease the old labour crew (of which my Grandad is a lord and is one of them!) but I really which they'd realise how many working class people have frigging horses!
 
It works out at £2 a week.

How they will police it though I have no idea. Possibly through the licensing of livery yards. In the same way as they are using livery yard owners to police passports ownership yard owners will need to pay the costs and claim it back perhaps...
 
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Yep. When is it suppost to happen anyway and is it for the whole of the UK?????

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"DEFRA is working towards publishing legislative proposals in late 2010, with any changes in England not expected before 2012"
 
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It works out at £2 a week.

How they will police it though I have no idea. Possibly through the licensing of livery yards. In the same way as they are using livery yard owners to police passports ownership yard owners will need to pay the costs and claim it back perhaps...

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I think, like the Passports, they will expect the majority of 'good citizens' to adhere to the rules, pay up, and keep quiet.

The humongous amount of money in the coffers will then help to create new jobs (Labours idea of taxing the 'rich' and giving jobs to the poor) for monitors/horse wardens or whatever they will call them.

They will go for the easy targets first, the livery yards and Riding Schools which by then will all be licenced (paying double bubble tax), and then will gain another large chunk of definate payers by demanding the Affiliated disciplines check tax payments from their members.


I don't know - but there'll be a way!!

Perhaps all horses will have to wear a data tag round their ankle, telling the government where the horse is at any one time, and if they've paid their tax.

Of course, if that horse gets stolen, the owner won't get help in tracing it, because the data is protected.....

And they'll have to keep paying the tax because they can't prove whether the horse is still alive.

It's late.... I must go to bed now.... and will probably dream of turning my ponies into pack horses and leaving the country with them in the dead of night
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Maybe that is why they want livery yards licensed. Bugger all to do with welfare. Just about revenue. Another stealth tax for those who already pay.
I would guess the push is coming from Brussels though.
 
They can shove it up their arses, no way am I paying unless every fecking traveller pays up for their nags, and that's not likely to happen ever!!
 
The Passport Law is not really enforced, I've never been asked to produce passport whilst travelling, at shows or at our yard so I have no idea how they are going to enforce the proposed Horse Tax? I think that, should it become law, it will be impractical to enforce & probably cost more than its actual revenue to administrate & collect, & that would defy its object.
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well im going to claim asylum in france ! i have been continuously persecuted by this government and its my right - oh wait a minute i think im in the bracket that doesnt count . yes im in the put up and shut up like it or lump it group .
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I don't think it's enforceable.

But if they did what woud happen to those who arent on livery yards (like me?) I rent my field and had trouble finding a field in the first place due to people being worried about renting their field out regarding insurance, liability, buisness taxes, passports... I might just be talking codswallop but they're things that do concern people.

I'd pay the tax, because I'd just see it as a rise in costs, but I wouldnt be happy, and it would affect other things we did such as competitions.

BTW can anyone heer actually see labour getting back in next time round??
No?
me neither...
 
I think claiming to be a traveler seems the best bet alround
how can they prove your not !!!skin color is the same you just need a transit pick up with high sides and a selection of magnetic signs for the trade you are doing this week,and practice a mock Orish accent and don a leather coat....
 
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I think claiming to be a traveler seems the best bet alround
how can they prove your not !!!skin color is the same you just need a transit pick up with high sides with a selection of magnetic signs for the trade you are doing this week,and practice a mock Orish accent and don a leather coat....

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Right borrowing my dads transit and claiming to be a traveller!!
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Well that will put me and the rest of the farriers, dentists, (vets will be ok because they have small animals), physios etc who all work soley on horses out of work if everyone has to further give up their horses. Great

The government is a bunch of *insert rude word*s
 
Simple I wont be paying it.... If we all stick together they cant arrest us all..... It worked in Scotland for the Poll tax (I never paid and was never arrested)

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I really can't see how they will enforce it. Will they send a tax bill to your address? they could get that from the Passport people. But as already said - what about those who don't have a passport? If this is how they plan to do it - then the passport system will become even more wobbly than it already is because I don't think people would get the passports.
 
Well I won't be paying it...the whole idea is a joke. I almost understand the intention to provide money in the event of a disease outbreak (and will it help fund research into vaccines) BUT what does that actually get the owner in return if there really were to be an outbreak of AHS? A mass cull and &1 compensation per animal.
 
They really have it in for the horse world, don't they? Is there ever going to be any end to the increasing regulation which now means we are restricted in how long we can drive our horseboxes for, must have horse passports and so on. But what do we actually get in return? All animals are subject to infectious diseases, eg dogs can carry rabies. Dogs used to be licensed, so why are they not required now to be licensed and taxed in a similar way?

The only thing any such tax can be guaranteed to do is make people's lives a misery.

Why does everything in this country have to be so minutely controlled and taxed at least twice?

Saw the same thing with the introduction of the HMO regulations in Scotland for rented proeprties to more than 2 unrelated people. So all my improvements money got spent on a mains operated smoke alarms and self closin doors, which tenants now leave permanently wedged open, causing a much greater fire risk than before. Each license costs around £600 a year and funds a large department in the Council to administer it. Beyond that, I cannot see what it does. Other than provide more public sector jobs.
 
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