antihunt
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I take my dogs out and make a herd of red deer run out of the woods
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antihunt
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btw by ruin I men run.
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
You know I'm actually having serious second thoughts about the benefit to flushed out deer in being shot.
I'm starting to think that the reason they run away is just to escape so maybe it would be better to let them rather than gun them down.
Being shot must be quite painfiul as well.
I'm starting to think that the reason they run away is just to escape so maybe it would be better to let them rather than gun them down.
Being shot must be quite painfiul as well.
jhoward
Demon exorcist...
im actually starting to worry that this guy drinks wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to much.... and i thought my spelling was bad...
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
haha I suppose we can forgive him on xmas day!
hatters
Well-Known Member
Antihunt, are you drunk young man?
antihunt
Well-Known Member
I'm just standing up for a law which is a landmark in animal welfare legislation. My position is identical to that of our wonderful Labour Government.
Are you suggesting that these people are idiots?
Are you suggesting that these people are idiots?
Spot_the_Risk
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All politicians are idiots.
As Spike Milligan once said, anyone who wants to be a politician should immediately be banned from ever holding that office, (or words to that effect).
As Spike Milligan once said, anyone who wants to be a politician should immediately be banned from ever holding that office, (or words to that effect).
peakpark
Well-Known Member
Yes................but some are more idiotic than others.
antihunt
Well-Known Member
The labour Mps who voted to make it illegal not to shoot a flushed out deer are not idiots at all. We have to respect the law.
JessDoesItBetter
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PMSL!!! either that, or i'm wondering if he's having us all on!
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
How did you vote Jess. Did you back the Hunting Act?
Surely shooting entire herds of deer just because of a stupoid law is plain wrong?
Surely shooting entire herds of deer just because of a stupoid law is plain wrong?
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
Did you really vote for all those animals to be slaughtered Jess?
You must be mad!!!!
You must be mad!!!!
antihunt
Well-Known Member
Jess support s the Hunting Act which is why she supports ten guns being positioned round the wood to kill all the furry animals that scuttle out of it.
the MPs think this is good for their welfare and they must be right becasue they are very clever people.
We should all obey the law.
the MPs think this is good for their welfare and they must be right becasue they are very clever people.
We should all obey the law.
JessDoesItBetter
Well-Known Member
Honey i'm really not sure what your getting at...you don't seem to be making sense, so just to be clear on my views:
I don't agree with fox hunting with hounds. I don't particularly like shooting, however to me it's preferable to hunting with hounds.
Back to your question :"I take my dogs out and make a herd of red deer run out of the woods
should I have to shoot them all or let them go"
Well i must say that Just letting them go would defeat the object...but i don't see a need to shoot them either, perhaps you should refrain from taking your dogs out and making herds of red deer run out of the woods!
Anti hunt, may i ask how old you are? i know it sounds irrelevant but i'm just trying to work out if you are a child (hence your infantile posts will be forgivable if you are), a pro having us all on taking the p*** out of anti's, or just plain crazy!!!
I don't agree with fox hunting with hounds. I don't particularly like shooting, however to me it's preferable to hunting with hounds.
Back to your question :"I take my dogs out and make a herd of red deer run out of the woods
should I have to shoot them all or let them go"
Well i must say that Just letting them go would defeat the object...but i don't see a need to shoot them either, perhaps you should refrain from taking your dogs out and making herds of red deer run out of the woods!
Anti hunt, may i ask how old you are? i know it sounds irrelevant but i'm just trying to work out if you are a child (hence your infantile posts will be forgivable if you are), a pro having us all on taking the p*** out of anti's, or just plain crazy!!!
southgate1975
Well-Known Member
Are you saying that you make the deer spook and run out of the woods by accident (ie, you did not set out to intentionally make this happen ) ?
antiantianti
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"Make the deer spook by accident"
If you regularly take dogs into a wood where there are deer and they regularly run out of the wood it is hardly an accident is it? These dogs have been flushing out deer for ten years.
Yes they bare flushed out deliberately. Are you really saying that one week they can be flushed out deliberately and the next by accident when exactly the same action is performed?
That's totally ridiculous.
If flushinhg out is cruel then we shouldn't do things that will innevitably flush out deer. If it isn't cruel then it is ok to.
If I felt that taking dogs in a particular place caused cruelty then it would be wrong for me to do so and I would not do it.
Do you think flushing out deer with dogs is cruel or not?
If you regularly take dogs into a wood where there are deer and they regularly run out of the wood it is hardly an accident is it? These dogs have been flushing out deer for ten years.
Yes they bare flushed out deliberately. Are you really saying that one week they can be flushed out deliberately and the next by accident when exactly the same action is performed?
That's totally ridiculous.
If flushinhg out is cruel then we shouldn't do things that will innevitably flush out deer. If it isn't cruel then it is ok to.
If I felt that taking dogs in a particular place caused cruelty then it would be wrong for me to do so and I would not do it.
Do you think flushing out deer with dogs is cruel or not?
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
Doesn't that depend on what the object is? If the object is to disperse the deer without killing them then surely shooting the deer would defeat the object?
Jess I can only assume you live in a town. If you live in the countryside surrounded by red deer then how are you meant to take dogs out without making them run away.
The Hunting Act clearly states that it is only legal to flush out deer if they are then shot. Do you agree with this crazy law or do you think people should legally be allowed to not shoot deer they flush out.
Do you think people should be prohibited from taking dogs into areas where there are wild mammals that will be dispersed on the grounds of cruelty?
Do you think that the police should prosecute people for not killing animals?
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
It strikes me Jess that even though you voted in the poll below in favour of the law you might be changing your mind.
Don't be scared. Changing one's mind is a symptom of an honourable soul.
Don't be scared. Changing one's mind is a symptom of an honourable soul.
antihunt
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AAA you have admitted that it is impossible for you to take your dogs into places where there are wild mammals without flushing them out. The fact is that parliament has decided that flushing out wild mammals is cruel but you continue to do so.
They have even provided a way for you to continue going out legally with your dogs by alleviating the suffering of any wild mammals you disturb with a bullet.
However you refuse to do so because of your distate for killing the deer in your woods.
You are a criminal pure and simple. This law is here for a very good and honorable reason, to prevent cruelty and that is why you should shoot all these animals.
We all have to respect the law. Either shoot the deer or stop disturbing them by taking your dogs out. It is as simple choice.
They have even provided a way for you to continue going out legally with your dogs by alleviating the suffering of any wild mammals you disturb with a bullet.
However you refuse to do so because of your distate for killing the deer in your woods.
You are a criminal pure and simple. This law is here for a very good and honorable reason, to prevent cruelty and that is why you should shoot all these animals.
We all have to respect the law. Either shoot the deer or stop disturbing them by taking your dogs out. It is as simple choice.
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
Rubbish! The law is clearly a massive cock up. People have a perfect right to refuse to obey the Hunting Act.
Bunce
Well-Known Member
As someone who regularly monitors hunts for breeches of the Hunting Act I can assure you that we are aware of this unfortunate anomaly in the law.
We would only ever seek to prosecute organised packs of staghounds and foxhounds for failing to shoot wild mammals in this manner. Our beef is with them.
Other individuals who flush out and refuse to shoot wild mammals will not be prosecuted.
We would only ever seek to prosecute organised packs of staghounds and foxhounds for failing to shoot wild mammals in this manner. Our beef is with them.
Other individuals who flush out and refuse to shoot wild mammals will not be prosecuted.
southgate1975
Well-Known Member
I love the way you ask a question, tell me my answer, and then tell me my answer is ridiculous.
Bunce
Well-Known Member
I don't think anyone seriously thinks that flushed out animals should be shot. However people do want to see hunts prosecuted. If they refuse to shoot flushed out animals then prosecuting them would be a good thing.
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
Why prosecute hunts for not killing animals?
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
I didn't think you had answer.
Eagle_day
Well-Known Member
"As someone who regularly monitors hunts for breeches of the Hunting Act I can assure you that we are aware of this unfortunate anomaly in the law."
But no politician with an eye on their future career is going to amend it without fear of being laughed out of office.
I never thought I'd say it but, 'Thank you Tony Banks.'
But no politician with an eye on their future career is going to amend it without fear of being laughed out of office.
I never thought I'd say it but, 'Thank you Tony Banks.'
southgate1975
Well-Known Member
My answer is that the official defra guidance that accompanies the hunting act
http://www.defra.gov.uk/rural/hunting/default.htm
has said from the outset that accidentally flushed animals do not have to be shot.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/rural/hunting/default.htm
has said from the outset that accidentally flushed animals do not have to be shot.
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
Do you think that deliberately flushed animals should be shot?
What if the person flushing them out doesn't want to shoot them?
Do you think that people who regularly flush out animals with their dogs should stop doing so?
What if the person flushing them out doesn't want to shoot them?
Do you think that people who regularly flush out animals with their dogs should stop doing so?
Bunce
Well-Known Member
For a person whose dogs regularly flushes out wild mammals to claim that this is 'accidental' is quite obviously ridiculous. Anyone with any sense who takes a dog into a wood or other such area will know that it is teeming with non exempt animals that are likely to be disturbed by the dog.
That having been said we are quite clear on this matter. We will only seek to prosecute hunts who refuse to kill animals we will not prosecute other people who either recklessly or deliberately flush out animals and refuse to kill them.
The requirement of flushed out animals to be shot although anomalous is an important tool in our campaign to stop hunts killing animals. There has already been a successful prosecution of a stag hunt which was found not to have taken sufficient steps to kill an entire herd of deer.
That having been said we are quite clear on this matter. We will only seek to prosecute hunts who refuse to kill animals we will not prosecute other people who either recklessly or deliberately flush out animals and refuse to kill them.
The requirement of flushed out animals to be shot although anomalous is an important tool in our campaign to stop hunts killing animals. There has already been a successful prosecution of a stag hunt which was found not to have taken sufficient steps to kill an entire herd of deer.