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so ive always given panacur guard 5 day course in november and then early spring for tape worm etc.

the YM is saying it dosent do tapeworm and need to discuss it at the weekend.

am i doing it wrong?

susi x
 
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" Detailed Description
Panacur Equine Guard liquid horse wormer. A benzimidazole wormer given preferably in November and/or January to eliminate encysted small redworms. Panacur Guard is given daily for five days. This ‘five day course’ will of course also treat any other worms sensitive to Panacur including most worms other than tapeworm and Bots. Dosing is 5ml per 65 kg bodyweight daily mixed with grain or concentrate daily for five days. It is suitable for pregnant mares and young foals. A course may be given at any time of the year to bought-in horses or others where the worming history is not known. One bottle will treat a 600kg horse (225ml) "

So no, not tapeworm, sorry. I use the equest and Pramox wormers, and then use one recommended by the vet for a change.
 
thank you. im getting used to english wormers as ive lived abroad until this year. its learning again :)

Its eqvlan for tape normally. i think ive just been confused by YM which right now isnt hard to do!

my normal worming program is for this year as i change it anually (as in brands so no immunity to brands by the worms).

jan eqvlan

march strongid p

may equimax

july panacur 5 day

sept strongid p

nov equimax

its a rough guid, obviously dates arent exact as some are 8 weeks and others arent, i follow as per the packet.

YM wants me to buy wormer from her (i have no issues doing it but ive bought until the end of next year infront for 2 horses, ive given 1 year to a rescue center as my gelding had to be PTS last week, hance ive lost the plot on everything as he wsa my baby not just a horse). If YM had told me thins I wouldnt have bought wormer infront.

ive only ever used brands abroad so am learning yet again how to do everything. after nearly 20 years its great im green again with some bits :)

thank you for the panacur, i can remember now it was eqvlan and strongid p i used to use (didnt have the variety you can get now) and panacur guard when i lived in the UK before. wow this is a minefield its great learning :)

susi x
 
so on that list strongid p (pyrantel) at double dose will treat tapeworm as will equimax (has praziquantel).

Your panacur 5 day (or equest - moxidectin) should be done over the winter (dec/jan time) to protect against the spring emergence of encysted red worm.

so if you were to swap the july and january doses around and there is no need to do equimax (ivermectin + praziquantel) in november/may as you have already treated tapeworm and 2 x per year is suficient.

There is some resistance to pyrantel and to panacur 5 day so it is best not to routinely rely on these (ie do either march/sept treatments with praziquantel instead of pyrantel and use moxidectin sometimes over winter - this would be my preference so long as I had a horse with a known worming history - moxi can be a bit harsh if the horse has a lot of worms).

So program would start to look something like this:

jan- equest/panacur 5 day
march/april- strongid p (pyrantel)
8 weeks later and thereafter over summer ivermectin (so equvalan or equivalent)
sept/october - equimax (or equivalent ivermectin + praziquantel)

Which will probs take you through to dec/jan again.
 
so now remembering things from the years gone by, thats basically what i used to do.
jan: panacur 5 day
march: double douse strongid p
may: eqvlan
July: strongid p
Sept: eqvlan
Nov: strongid p double dose

i remember doing 2 panacur for some reason. not sure where i put it though

sorry this is over 10 years ago i did this.

thank you though, very appreciated
:)
 
the YM only worms twice a year i think. i dont agree with that at all, ive always changed brands etc hoping the ingredient would be different and OK.

all you can do is your best isnt it at the end of the day
 
it might be possible to worm mininmally if you are egg counting. But of course you will still need to do some worming - encysted redworms and tapeworms i think.
If you give westgate labs a call I am sure they would help.
 
the YM as far as im aware dosent do egg counting etc. its just twice a year i think.

i do egg counting twice a year as practice and always have done. my mare i lost about 5 years ago couldnt take chemical wormer so i used to do verm x homeopathic and check worm count etc every time i used it as i was paranoid about it.
it got to the stage with chemical wormer everytime i wormed her shed get colic within hours.

i do my mare chemically as i dont quite trust homeopathic wormers totally
 
then i think if you are worm testing -what are your results like? I wouldn't have expected you to need to worm that often, just the encysted redworms and tapeworm.
What does your yard owner worm with? I egg count mine - my older horse has a history of no eggs seen, so usually just gets done twice a year - my 2 year old on the other hand is awful and is wormed every couple of months as her egg counts are usually high before worming. We have been keeping a close eye on her
 
egg counting is best done with at least the frequency of worming, twice a year doesn't really tell you anything IMO due to the inherent inacurracies of the method.

Am sure you can come to an agreement with the YO, but I can understand why she wants to make sure your program is adequate.
 
We're being pushed to selling worm counting kits now and reduce the amount of wormer sold. In fact we've basically been told to tell our customers to worm for tapeworm (or blood test for it) and then worm count the rest of the year so people know what to worm for (if at all) :)
 
ah perhaps I haven't made myself clear, I egg test every couple of months and then worm if necessary.
My older horse gets egg tested every couple of months and providing we get a 'no eggs seen' gets wormed twice yearly once for encysted red worms and once for tapeworm.
 
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We're being pushed to selling worm counting kits now and reduce the amount of wormer sold. In fact we've basically been told to tell our customers to worm for tapeworm (or blood test for it) and then worm count the rest of the year so people know what to worm for (if at all) :)
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meep! - and encysteds? and all the issues with egg counts particularly if you haven't done them before or does that not matter>

Don't get me wrong am all for reducing development of resistance but whereas people didn't know about wormers now they don't know about the ins and outs of counting instead/potential problems etc..

mjc no I know you said you did yours frequently :) it was just to the OP who said she did them a couple of times a year while working and I don't think, atm, you can read much into those results.

(it's also known I should avoid worm threads ;) it gets me blood up too much ;) )
 
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