I'm sorry, what?

don't knock it till you have tried it. my friends heavy weight cob 15.1hh was entered into a magazine dressage competition that was country wide she came 2nd and her photo was on magazine cover flanked by 2 large warmbloods that came first and third, top dressage why not? top eventer within a certain height and same with jumping again why not?

she looks like she moves really well behind many of them have massive movement and are really under valued
 
She looks like a lovely 'top allrounder' to me.

Edited to agree with twiggy - it is pleasantly surprising to see how well cobs can do in dressage if trained correctly.
 
I would have thought people often use keywords like 'event' , 'dressage' etc in ads to increase the liklihood of them coming up in a search. I would agree with others that 'top' is a bit of a nebulous concept - depends what you're aiming at!
 
twiggy2 said:
don't knock it till you have tried it. my friends heavy weight cob 15.1hh was entered into a magazine dressage competition that was country wide she came 2nd and her photo was on magazine cover flanked by 2 large warmbloods that came first and third, top dressage why not? top eventer within a certain height and same with jumping again why not?

she looks like she moves really well behind many of them have massive movement and are really under valued
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I'm not looking at turning this thread into my cob can do this / but cobs can't do this.

While I agree more sporty cobs can do a satisfactory dressage test, go clear jumping / xc, I feel heavier cobs, such as the one in the advert could produce a graceful, harmonised test with floating paces and stunning extensions. Same I feel they are not as careful around a SJ course as other lighter breeds. Again, cross country - they just don't have the stamina and ability to go round like a TB/ISH.

I know you get an odd few that do well in a discipline. But it is very rare.
 
JennyConnor said:
I'm not looking at turning this thread into my cob can do this / but cobs can't do this.

While I agree more sporty cobs can do a satisfactory dressage test, go clear jumping / xc, I feel heavier cobs, such as the one in the advert could produce a graceful, harmonised test with floating paces and stunning extensions. Same I feel they are not as careful around a SJ course as other lighter breeds. Again, cross country - they just don't have the stamina and ability to go round like a TB/ISH.

I know you get an odd few that do well in a discipline. But it is very rare.
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I don't like to say this on here, but what a load of rubbish! You've got a lot to learn. We had a 13.2 version of that horse that would do lower level affiliated and rc level and regularly beat warmbloods/ish/tbs. No they wouldn't be getting to Badminton or higher levels as they don't make the time, but the are well capable of doing most of the things you've just said they can't above! I have met many carthorse type cobs that have tons of affiliated dressage points, lovely paces (especially trots) and very good clean jumps. Our little 13.2 cob was a much cleaner jumper than the mare I evented affiliated.

So while the advert is perhaps a tad ambitious, the horse is going to make a nice all rounder and is fairly priced. The type of horse I will go for next time probably.
 
Honey08 said:
I don't like to say this on here, but what a load of rubbish! You've got a lot to learn. We had a 13.2 version of that horse that would do lower level affiliated and rc level and regularly beat warmbloods/ish/tbs. No they wouldn't be getting to Badminton or higher levels as they don't make the time, but the are well capable of doing most of the things you've just said they can't above! I have met many carthorse type cobs that have tons of affiliated dressage points, lovely paces (especially trots) and very good clean jumps. Our little 13.2 cob was a much cleaner jumper than the mare I evented affiliated.

So while the advert is perhaps a tad ambitious, the horse is going to make a nice all rounder and is fairly priced. The type of horse I will go for next time probably.
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That's exactly what I was saying - I am still talking about a cob being 'top' in a discipline. I know lots of cobs that are great lower level and fun allrounders.

I was specifically talking about the one in the advert.
 
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One of the best little horses I ever saw on the eventing circuit was a very nondescript (some might say ugly) little cob mare. I had a quiet snide little chortle to myself when I saw her.

The smile was soon wiped off my face when she won her novice class in outstanding style. I wish I could remember her name, she was amazing - and I always kept an eye out for her when out and about.

The advert referred to here shows a lovely little horse that I imagine could just about do anything the rider wanted. It's priced to sell and hopefully will be snapped up.
 
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Honey08 said:
So while the advert is perhaps a tad ambitious, the horse is going to make a nice all rounder and is fairly priced. The type of horse I will go for next time probably.
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Yes but it will not be at the top of anything it does and thats the point JC is making I think

It doesnt mean its not a nice, talented and very useful horse, maybe but our top eventers, dressage riders and show jumpers wont be beating a track across the country to buy it

Its a shame they used the words they did. In saying that look how much more exposure that ad has got!
 
Everyone these days seems to throw in "ideal event prospect" etc.

There was a thread that I think was removed as it was basically an ad. She was describing her horse has "ideal event prospect". Maybe in the local PC event, certainly no higher than that (and we're talking getting round the course, not winning). "Ideal PC prospect" maybe. Event? No!
 
WelshD said:
Yes but it will not be at the top of anything it does and thats the point JC is making I think

It doesnt mean its not a nice, talented and very useful horse, maybe but our top eventers, dressage riders and show jumpers wont be beating a track across the country to buy it

Its a shame they used the words they did. In saying that look how much more exposure that ad has got!
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To someone it may be a top horse for what they want. The ad comes across as you choose to read it
 
amymay said:
Won't it? Do you know the horse then??
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No but I would imagine that if it was as talented as they think it is at that age they would have found where its true talent lies and chosen a discipline and be aiming the horse at that with the appropriate price tag

I have nothing against cobs and thats not why I have made the comments I have

To me top level is top level - nothing to say this horse wont hold its own very well but I cant see it at Badminton or show jumping in Paris any time soon

As I said its unfortunate wording not a reflection on the talent of the horse or the fact the horse is a cob
 
If you mean top as in getting round Burghley or going to Hickstead then no.

However doing well at lower levels and even some affiliated why the heck not! For most normal average riders that would class as a 'top' horse.
 
Top event prospect. 10 y/old cob with a hideous flat photo and a 2'6 fence... Hmmmmm...

I'm all for cobs can, heck I have frankly ridiculous expectations of my natives, but...
 
WelshD said:
if it was as talented as they think it is at that age they would have found where its true talent lies and chosen a discipline and be aiming the horse at that with the appropriate price tag
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Unlikely. If for no other reason that for the prejudice shown here.
 
I agree top level is TOP level - a Grassroots event winner isn't a 'top' eventer - it's not even in the same bracket as something like Opposition Buzz for example. However I think she looks like a nice all rounder, and is priced fairly. Just an unfortunate choice of word.
 
MadBlackLab said:
Agree
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This - perhaps, adding the word 'amaeuter' horse would have been a better choice of wording.

In my experience, most adverts need to be taken with a pinch of salt - particularly words like 'top', 'potential' & 'horse of a lifetime'. It's a sales pitch after all :)

She looks a lovely horse & I hope she finds a great home.

ETA: my quote hasn't worked - I was trying to quote MadBlackLab.
 
khalswitz said:
I agree top level is TOP level - a Grassroots event winner isn't a 'top' eventer - it's not even in the same bracket as something like Opposition Buzz for example. However I think she looks like a nice all rounder, and is priced fairly. Just an unfortunate choice of word.
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Agree with this. Probably a cracking little horse for someone who wants to do RC stuff (ie me :p).

"Top" to me means it can go to the TOP. If the ad said "talented RC mare" or similar then yes, that's a bit more accurate.
 
khalswitz said:
I agree top level is TOP level - a Grassroots event winner isn't a 'top' eventer - it's not even in the same bracket as something like Opposition Buzz for example. However I think she looks like a nice all rounder, and is priced fairly. Just an unfortunate choice of word.
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This really. Top level is top level.

Top horse on the other hand, well that is subjective. She might be a top horse but she isn't going to be top level in any of the things they have said she might.

Which isn't to say she isn't nice or that she won't do a good job for an amateur at the things they suggest she would. But is she going to go round Badders? Realistically no she isn't.
 
WelshD said:
Yes but it will not be at the top of anything it does and thats the point JC is making I think
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It could be top eventer at 90cm 100cm or novice level I know 3 that are top at 100cm and novice and they are all cobs.

some traditionals do make top dressage horses and they are only recently being recognised for those abilities.

the ad does not say top advanced level eventer, as for lacking stamina blah blah blah agree with other op has a lot to learn many trads do long distance and endurance although many take more to keep fit
 
twiggy2 said:
It could be top eventer at 90cm 100cm or novice level I know 3 that are top at 100cm and novice and they are all cobs.

some traditionals do make top dressage horses and they are only recently being recognised for those abilities.

the ad does not say top advanced level eventer, as for lacking stamina blah blah blah agree with other op has a lot to learn many trads do long distance and endurance although many take more to keep fit
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agree with this
 
It depends if you're using the word "top" in a slang type way in place of "fab" or "awesome", etc, or if you are using it as what it really should mean - "top", like "at the top", "the highest point", "the very best eventer" - I can't open the link but I gather the slang defition might apply but the conventional one, nope, the horse sounds mis-represented.
 
madlady said:
If you mean top as in getting round Burghley or going to Hickstead then no.
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This is our old cob Monty. He was ugly, cobby and hairy.
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Here he is jumping around Hickstead with my sister. Ok, so it wasn't the Derby, but that fugly cob got her to Hickstead which is most children's dream, he was an absolutely top horse.
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