Inbreeding to a stallion like Nimmerdor

[S_N]

OK, so I'm very used to inbreeding in the TB world, but have hardly ever come across it in the Sportshorse world. My mare carries Nimmerdor in her tail male line, in the 3rd generation. I've just been looking at a stallion (though not for a breeding for this year, that's already been decided), who also carries Nimmerdor in his 3rd generation, but not in the same place, but as his sire's BM sire. So, should I use him, the foal would be 4x4 Nimmerdor. Thoughts on a postcard please.

 

[UCD2007]

There are pros and cons to line breeding

It is often used to increase a certain hypothetical trait in the resulting offspring. So for instance in racing thoroughbreds if you a have a horse that is extraordinarily fast you may be able to increase the likeliness of getting the allele of a gene(s) that may encode for a trait like speed (or the conformational/biological features that would increase speed) if you increase the amount of "blood" or rather genetic input from a horse that is known to be very fast.

What also happens when you start crossing onto 1 horse multiple times is that other genetic traits will be increased as well, such as heritable diseases like HYPP. This is why you see HYPP in Quarter Horses because people really wanted to accentuate traits they saw in the sire Impressive so a lot of people began breeding their mares to him and then bred those offspring to other horses that also were descendants of Impressive. So a disease that was normally not seen because it requires two alleles of the same gene to be expressed became prevalent.

Generally speaking though if you bred 2 horses that had the same horse in the their 3rd generation it is not likely that you would have any negative consequences from that, but it is something to be aware of.

 

[Damien]

We were very pleased with our Nimmerdor line bred colt, our best colt foal to date, Bavarnno by Umenno (Wellington x Nimmerdor) x Goodtimes (Nimmerdor) didn't hesitate to do the same again breeding again last year and will repeat the same again this year all being well along with another Goddtimes mare. Incredible paces, walk trot and canter, all legs, exquisite face, a ballerina on air should have called him Billy Elliot in hind sight! negative comment from KWPN graders, upright in neck but uses it well! That has since changed looking at recent pics of him.........

 

[S_N]

Thank you for all of that Andrea. Most insightful. I'm not worried about it being too close - have done matings that are closer inbred with TB's, sometimes with the horse in question repeated more than twice! I guess I didn't ask the right question - is this a successful nick?

 

[S_N]

Ooooo Opie - hello stranger

Glad to see you back on here!

So in your opinion it's been a sucessful nick - as in so far good looking progeny?

Do you (or anyone else) know if it has been a good nick in the competition arena?

 

[UCD2007]

Sorry about that, I must have misread the post

 

[S_N]

Golly don't appologise! I think I asked the wrong question

 

[springfallstud]

If you look into alot of the german warmbloods it is done alot over there with great success, i think some people are frightened to "line" breed in the UK. our oldenburg had been line bred in Germany before we got her and her filly was super, we have also done a simular covering with her but gone down one generation. It is also very common in " German" Gsd breeding, only thing now i find is they have done it so much it is harder to find a dog out there which isnt carring simular lines over and over. so yes i think it is good if carefully thought out

 

[southsidestud]

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/southside+cavalli my filly is line breed to nimmerdor what are yr thoughts on her?

 

[Angela_Wise]

Im actually thinking of using a young dutch stallion with Nimmerdor as the GS, on one of my mares who GS sire line is also Nimmerdor. I asked the stud there thoughts and this was there reply.

In Holland we have a lot of blood that is lined with Nimmerdor and this has always been good. Nimmerdor himself was a very bloodtype stallion for his age.
Best regards, Daan Horn, De Wiemselbach B.V.

I will make my decision once this years foal is out and about and mum is doing well, to whether we go to the expense of AI to an outside stallion

 

[S_N]

Your mare (I take it that Valley Z is your mare?) has Olympic Ahorn in the same place as my mare, as she too is by a son on his!

 

[S_N]

Thank you for that SFS!!

 

[S_N]

Interesting - thanks A. Just been googling

Good looking stallion(s)

 

[KarynK]

Am awaiting a mildly inbred foal this year on two top performing ancestors, I am a great beleiver in it and have seen it work very well.
The danger in it is over use of one individual as per HYPP and HERDA in the Quarter Horse, (Impressive was actually a 5/8th TB inbred 3 times 3x4x5 on TB Three Bars), where father daughter and 1/2 brother sister matings amplified the rogue recessives, careful mild inbreeding will not facilitate this.

In TB's you will see it is usually mild and on ancestors that are themselves mildly inbred, an interesting choice, they should know its been going on for some time and the likes of Tesio took it to new heights proving it's effectivmess in TB's.

 

[southsidestud]

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Your mare (I take it that Valley Z is your mare?) has Olympic Ahorn in the same place as my mare, as she too is by a son on his!

[/ QUOTE ]yes shes one of my mares whos your mare by just being nosey

 

[S_N]

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Your mare (I take it that Valley Z is your mare?) has Olympic Ahorn in the same place as my mare, as she too is by a son on his!

[/ QUOTE ]yes shes one of my mares whos your mare by just being nosey

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You are one of few people who does not know - I go on about him constantly, ask anyone who knows me in RL and he's been dead over 10 yrs now!! She's by Sportsnight.