Info on horse tooth rasper required

[ponydentist]

I am looking for information on two equine dental care providers who operate in the Lancashire / NW area and are claiming to be "qualified" and american trained. All my extensive sources of information have drawn a blank and he doesnt appear to be registered anywhere. was wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of information to support such claims.... Mark Edmonds and Robert Jones. Thanks

 

[JanetGeorge]

They may have trained in the USA - there are one or 2 good training schools there (and a lot more cr*p ones!) However, that training - even if accompanied by a piece of paper with gilt writing does NOT 'qualifiy' them in the UK. Neither are members of BAEDT nor are they on the BEVA list. They may be perfectly competent - or not!

They are also not on the list of the Academy of Equine Dentistry (Idaho) list - it is probably the best of the US schools.

It is not currently against the law for unqualified people to rasp teeth (although it bloody well should be!!) but I wouldn't let anyone other than a qualified EDT or experienced vet touch my horses' teeth!!

 

[VictoriaEDT]

Dont worry guys, Ponydentist is not a rogue and knows his stuff - qualified etc!

We are having big issues in the "EDT world" with unqualifed EDTs seriously messing up horses mouthes and claiming to be qualified etc and for all the client knows, these people have done a great job and were really nice people........until we get there and see the mess.

I first hand have seen the mess ME has made

 

[ponydentist]

Exactly Janet.
I know they havent been to Idaho.....(Im certified there and lecture and have taught there...and over here in the UK) or Virginia (as I have contacts there too) or Texas. I am also registered with BAEDT and Qualified through BEVA and I cannot find any info on them but constantly hear of how "qualified" they are. So was just wondering if anyone could help out as Im at a loss.

Sad thing is that one of them treats HUNDREDS of horses in the Lancs area....and is even apparently taking other "Trainee dentists" around with him......this situation is ludicrous....the blind leading the blind. They must have some reason for LYING to their clients eh?
You are correct...you dont have to be qualified to "Rasp Horses teeth" ....But the problem is massively enhanced by the fact that there are only two vets in the North of England who have been examined by dental experts too.

 

[galaxy]

there's a woman in my area who goes around saying she's an EDT and isn't..... I know so many people who use her. Apparently she went over to the states and started the course, so she reckons this is enough.... hmmm...

Ridiculous, there are 2 excellent qualified EDT's on our doorstep, yet people still use her.

 

[JanetGeorge]

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Exactly Janet.
I know they havent been to Idaho.....(Im certified there and lecture and have taught there...and over here in the UK) or Virginia (as I have contacts there too) or Texas. I am also registered with BAEDT and Qualified through BEVA and I cannot find any info on them but constantly hear of how "qualified" they are. So was just wondering if anyone could help out as Im at a loss.


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Qualified cowboys - by the sounds of it!

Every second horse I get here for schooling/re-schooling has a mouth issue - despite in almost every case having had teeth done recently by a 'horse dentist' - or in some cases a vet who owns a few rasps! I am fortunate in having a very experienced vet who has done extra dental training - and an excellent EDT (Robin Harding.) Robin does most of my horses - and my vet does things that crop up in-between Robin's visits or things that need sedation (I have about 50 horses and youngstock, excluding foals, and vet can't do more than 1 or 2 in a day as he suffers bad RSI in his elbows!)

The young man who has worked for me for 4 years is going to Idaho in October with plans to then go on and become BEVA qualified - I'm encouraging him all the way because he's an expert horse handler - does all my backing and schooling - but no-one wants to be backing horses for a living ALL their lives! (He'll keep working for me while he's getting qualified and then building up a client base so I won't lose him for quite a while yet!

And hopefully - within the next few years - there will be legislation to STOP the cowboys (or horse owners will wake up) so I think it IS a career with a future! Although not 'easy' from a training point of view. My rider is French and although his English is good (ish) he'd struggle with a 3 year degree course even if he could afford it! It's taken him nearly a year to save for Idaho! And that's just the beginning.

 

[ponydentist]

Thanks Victoria,

You are so right though. Isnt it so frustrating and annoying when you go to see a horse that has supposedly had "good regular treatment" ...only to have to spend lots of tie sorting out the mess of such "freds in the shed".

Why, in this day and age of such readily available information do people not check people out properly. Would they take their children to have their teeth done by some one with no formal traing record anywhere?

 

[ponydentist]

WEll Janet, wish your employee the best of luck. Take it from me he will get excellent training in Idaho....But...and this is a proble within the Industry....He will need to make SEVERAL Visits there in order to progress and certainly to have any hope of sucess with the stringent requirements of the Industry standard exam.....or after visiting Idaho he will need to do an "apprentice" type training scheme with a "qualified" EDT (not a "tooth rasper" like tyhe two affore mentioned people who this thread is about). I am sure he will do well and I wish him the best of luck on what isnt going to be an "easy ride".

As Victoria knows, tthe USA courses give you excellent grounding in the profession, but it will take a while to get the experience needed for the exam. I wa slucky as I spent two years in the USA and have been able to amass several visits to "Dentistry School".

I know Robin Very well as I was an Instructor on one of the very first courses he attended way back at the start of his career...then he trained with me for a while before earning the right to call himself a "dentist". Give him my regards and tell him the guy in the cowboy hat was asking after him....he will know who I am.