Information wanted on Horse

[friendlyfilly]

My friend bought a horse from her yard owner 2 days ago and would love to find out a bit about his past.
He had been at her yard for 5 weeks before she bought him. The yard owner bought him from a dealer called Phillip McAteer in County Durham. He told them that he came from Ireland 2 weeks before they bought him. In his passport he had no name, so she cannot trace him by his name. The dealer thought he might have done some hunting.
He is a pure Irish Draught, 16.2 and believed to be around 12 years old, he is parrot mouthed. He has 2 melanomas on the underneath of his tail, and he's fleabitten on his shoulder and his head.

*sorry if the pics are massive*

 

[Cuffey]

Being slightly facetious--how do you know he is pure ID if you have no name/breeding papers

What sort of passport has he and when was passport issued?

 

[Doris68]

Is Philip McAteer related to Paul McAteer by any chance??

 

[fernando]

Do you have any firm information from the dealer? If there is anything to go by let me know and I'll see what I can find out over here

 

[Lynnskatz]

If thats the dealer im thinking of he has a terrible reputation and has been taken to court before, hope the horse is as described
Doesnt look to me to be pure Irish Draught as i own one but never know i may be wrong.

 

[friendlyfilly]

Being slightly facetious--how do you know he is pure ID if you have no name/breeding papers

What sort of passport has he and when was passport issued?

"the dealer said that he was full ID"

Is Philip McAteer related to Paul McAteer by any chance??

"we dont really know"

Do you have any firm information from the dealer? If there is anything to go by let me know and I'll see what I can find out over here

"all we know is that he is full ID and the dealer got him imported from ireland"

If thats the dealer im thinking of he has a terrible reputation and has been taken to court before, hope the horse is as described
Doesnt look to me to be pure Irish Draught as i own one but never know i may be wrong.

"when he came to us he was very thin and in poor condition, he is now starting to fill out and does look more like an ID"

 

[fernando]

My best friend is a ID judge and she breeds RID's, he doesn't look like a full ID, sorry, just my opinion.

Its a bit of a needle in a haystack as to where this horse has come from, maybe trying to track him down other ways i.e if has he hunted maybe you mind find a picture of him on one of the websites.

I would actually go back to the dealer and ask for more information, like what region of Ireland was he from, I would even offer him some cash for proper information.

Sorry I can't be more help.

 

[friendlyfilly]

we now know that his breeder was Justin Jordan (Irish) and he was born in 1998. his sire is Murphy's Man and his dam is Windy Town

 

[fernando]

I just pm'd you details for the breeder, might be able to shed some light. I'll keep looking.

 

[velvetbrown]

I also have a horse which came via Phil Mcateer. Had i know that originally i would not have touched her with a barge pole. She also 'came from Ireland' and was very thin and covered in rainscald etc. (What do they do to them) She is due to have her back x-rayed on Monday to find the cause of problems which arose once i got her home.
Just google him and you will find a whole host of horror stories. He is alledgedly banned from selling horses as far as i am aware and has been fined numerous times.
He buys at the sales and uses an alias.
Anything he tells you in my opinion ought to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[MHOL]

He looks like an ID x TB

 

[lcharles]

I agree he doesnt look full ID, but as long as he does what you want i wouldn't worry! x

 

[Rouletterose]

OP oh dear I hope things work out for you with him, I don't know any dealers or the horse so I can't help, but he looks lovely and has a kind face/eye, take him on trust and work with him as though he is the best horse in the world, very often it is best not to listen to horror stories and ride 'as if' this has often worked for me. Good luck with him.

 

[luckyoldme]

OP oh dear I hope things work out for you with him, I don't know any dealers or the horse so I can't help, but he looks lovely and has a kind face/eye, take him on trust and work with him as though he is the best horse in the world, very often it is best not to listen to horror stories and ride 'as if' this has often worked for me. Good luck with him.

love that reply. my little ginger lad came from the same place and i have had him for three sound years. He was not at all what he was sold as and if i had known his true age i would never have bought him. That said after a very very stressfull start i have had three fantastic summers hacking out now. Best mistake of my life!!

 

[justin jordan]

i saw your picture and information and i believe that this is a horse i breed about 13 years ago and hes by my stallion murphys man (grey) and and out of windy town (grey). i sold him as a four year old to a freind and he lightly hunted him. if u want any more information contact me on 045869005.
your faithfully
justin jordan

 

[Passtheshampoo]

That's great that his breeder has given you contact details and you may find out a bit more about your horse's past. Good luck with your horse and enjoy him.

 

[Fantasy_World]

Nice looking horse but unless he has had a hard life he looks older than 12/13 to me. Sorry but he just does. Have you had his age verified by a vet at all?

 

[friendlyfilly]

thank you all!
We have now found he was with a man in Ireland until late last year and he was sold at a fair, so we still don't no how he ended up in england.

Fantasy_World: The vet said by his teeth he could be anything between 6 and 18, so they weren't much help

 

[trick123]

the only gratifying thing is about this horse it looks as if he has a nice owner and home now, poor poor horse to end up in that dealer's hands

 

[cronkmooar]

Did you speak with Justin Jordan? He did seem to recognise the horse as one he had bred.

 

[nina1995]

I am this horses owner,
To Cronkmooar, yes i managed to speak to Justin Jordan, he told me what he had done in the past, and that a man bought him off him when he was a four year old. The man then sold him last year at a fair. He also told us his name.

So we still don't no how he ended up in England at a dealers yard

 

[cronkmooar]

Hi Nina

I am glad you got to speak with the breeder - its unbelievable that he found you on this thread and then took the time to reply.

If it makes you feel any better mine ended up in the UK at a dealers yard and I managed to track him down and he remembered the horse - no problem years on, just couldn't quite remember where he got him from or where he had put his papers!

At least the breeder knows the horse and can give you an acurate age - good luck with him

 

[YasandCrystal]

He's a lovely horse with a very kind face and eye. I love IDs I have an ID x TB myself Have fun with him. Really nice the breeder contacted you

 

[sjmcc]

he,s lovely you could now get his papers but is it worth the cost he.s a gelding but at least you know all about him and his age ect ect . i have one from ireland show cob irish draught x connamara i have is papers but if i didnt it wouldnt matter i got a lot of info from one of the owners on his passport . they end up over here for all reasons private buyers and dealers buy from there hes a nice sort enjoy him

 

[a95]

Hi, i think its great you have found out so much information about your horse.
i was just wondering if you have any information on where about Philip McAteer deals the horses at in ireland.
i also have bought a horse from him, she was very underweight and in bad condition. i have no idea how she got to him, he never gave me a passport and i am desperate to find out some background information on her.
she is a chestnut mare, 15hh around 15 years not sure of her breed as i think she is a mixture.
Philip said she may have came from a riding school. i was just wondering if anyone could help me.

 

[mightymammoth]

Hi, i think its great you have found out so much information about your horse.
i was just wondering if you have any information on where about Philip McAteer deals the horses at in ireland.
i also have bought a horse from him, she was very underweight and in bad condition. i have no idea how she got to him, he never gave me a passport and i am desperate to find out some background information on her.
she is a chestnut mare, 15hh around 15 years not sure of her breed as i think she is a mixture.
Philip said she may have came from a riding school. i was just wondering if anyone could help me.

you should start a seperate thread on here for your mare with some photos

 

[Trotter81]

I have had a few horses from phil mcateer and to b honest couldnt fault them maybe just luck.

 

[horseandshoes77]

Just type Philip Mcateer into google...get a coffee and have a good read hes been done for numerous things..... passport fraud etc and selling dangerous horses as novices and horses with severe health problems..anything he tells you take with a pinch of salt hes full of boxxocks !!!

 

[Trotter81]

A have read it but he has had a lot of bad press with good reason but he does have good stuff aswell, its like a lot of dealers that handle a lot of irish horses in every load there will be a dodge thrown in somewhere.thats why in experienced ppl should take a knowledgable person with them x

 

[horseandshoes77]

Iv a sneaky suspicion you might work for him...or have a personal connection as iv not come across one happy customer of his out of hundreds...and im sure trading standards would agree considering the amount of cases they have dealt with...what he does is dangerous !!