Introducing ourselves and a little bit of advice needed please

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Hello,

I'm new here so I just wanted to introduce myself and my horse, and also ask a for a little bit of advice.
I've had my own old horse Tommy for about 12 years now and back in the day we did a little bit of everything at local level and generally just had fun. As Tom is now fully retired, last August I went looking for a new horse that was approx 15.2hh, 6-10 years old that I could again do a bit of everything on.

I somehow ended up falling in love and buying Charlie a 3 (now 4) year old, 15.3+hh IDx Appoloosa. He is broken and had done a bit of hacking both alone and in company. Over winter we have just done been hacking out around the woods, just getting to know each other really. I absolutely love him to bits, he is such a cheeky loveable boy.

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Now the weather has got a bit better we have started doing a bit more. We have been hacking 3-4 times a week and have started having lessons once every two weeks. He has been soo good in our lessons and is really coming on however out hacking we seem to be going backwards a bit.

He has gone from being an angel in all situations to having a few boughts of playing silly buggers. A few weeks ago he had a bit of a buck and leap when we went in to canter and I toppled off, I put this down to me just not expecting it and him being a bit full of spring grass. But then since then he has started to be silly if we have to pass anything or anyone on even slightly narrow paths. A few examples are: He got mid way past some people walking their dog and then leapt off forwards, chucking a buck in for good measure, when a bus started to come past us he started jumping forwards and was clearly not happy so I had to walk him in to a much bigger gap and then yesterday some cyclists came past us just as the last one came past us their bike made a slight noise and he just went mad bucking and leaping until I ended up falling off. Each time I have always been with another horse and it's always over something he has seen before so I wouldn't have thought it is because he is properly scared, more just using it as an excuse to muck about. Plus the fact that when we pass these things later in the hack on the way home he doesn't look twice!!

I realise he is still a baby and so we are going to encounter these little problems but I just want to make sure I nip things in the bud straight away and deal with things in the best way possible. I am planing on doing some more in-hand work with him, including setting up a little course so we can practise walking through narrow spaces and also walking him in-hand up to the wood so we can encounter these problems with me on foot so that he doesn't pick up any nervousness from me. What does everyone think, does this sound like the right plan of action?

Sorry for the gigantic post, any advice much appreciated.

Charlie (Yep I've got the same name as my horsey!)
 
Sounds like he's just going through that 'trying it on' phase now he's a little bit more mature and getting more confident in himself in his ridden work. Of course, the spring grass wont be helping either.

I think working with him in hand, long-reining especially if you can, would definitely help work through this phase and reinforce discipline and manners. Also, are you able to arrange for someone come in to give you some one-to-one lessons on him? Do you have anywhere you could do that? Having someone else helping from the ground can really help everyone.

He looks lovely BTW and WELCOME to the forum :)
 
This post could've been written by me as I'm having exactly the same 'issues' with my youngster. In fact she had me off the other week and I hadn't hit the deck for over 10 years!! She was a real madam in our lesson today as she just didn't see why she should do anything and just kept arguing & rushing off..... so cue lots of bending, small circles, shoulder in, leg yielding that type of thing to get her listening and realising that in return for the' life of riley' she has to do as she's asked:D. I'm sure it's just a baby thing and once the penny drops she'll be fine, also the spring grass is definitly having an effect on her and it's probably the same for your boy so try not to worry!!
 
My youngster does this in school frequently, had me off a few times cheeky bugger. He schools really nicely and goes off the leg fine, but when he spooks he just explodes and broncs. Nasty little habit, but horses will be horses.

I'm sure he'll be fine with work :).
 
I used to ride a horse who found certain things a lot more scary on the way out than the way home. What I did was get him past them on the way out, then, a few paces later turn and head for home. Then a few paces the other side of the scary thing turn back and head back out.

It took a few goes but he soon realised that he couldn't pretend to be scared only in the direction of work :-)

Having said that with spring grass etc, etc he may have changed shape. Possibly worth betting saddle checked as that can cause bucking pretty easily.
 
Spring is in the air!

I'd cut his food right down, lunge before I rode, and tell him off for bad behaviour, praise him well for good, so its really black and white what is and isn't acceptable, and don't feel a failure if you ask someone braver to get on and sort him out, its better for the horse to learn quickly to be safe and not sillu, rather than scare you, which you will project onto him if you are, I know been there done that! Good Luck and keep us posted!
 
I was thinking that this spring grass is probably not helping! He is now out 24/7 and all he has is a net of haylage twice a day, although I was thinking of putting him on baileys lo-cal too just to make sure he gets all of his vitamins and minerals. Over the winter he was in at night with a net of haylage and a feed of speedi-beet and mollichop or alpha-a lite twice a day.

Although I'm not scared to ride him I know that I am not helping as I do get a bit anxious and even though I try and put a brave face on it and steady my breathing and talk to him lots etc I'm sure he can tell. So I think I might ask my riding instructor if she could maybe come out on a hack with us and then at least I'll feel a bit more confident and can make sure it is nothing I am doing wrong.

He is such an angel usually and really tries his best the vast majority of the time. In our lessons he is brilliant and when I took him to see the trains for the first time; he literally didn't bat an eyelid! How can horses be terrified of a bird in a tree but then not be bothered about a huge noisey scary train??!

He does not take being told off very well and seems to respond to praise so much better (learnt this when teaching him to stand to have his legs hosed!) So I think when I try doing this in-hand work I'm going to try and praise everything he does well and just ignore the stuff he doesn't get (unless he is deliberately being naughty). I know I've got to always be consistent, I think I just worry so much about getting things wrong and messing him up!

Right well I'm going to try some in-hand work with him this weekend (as I'm feeling a bit too sore and fragile to get back on just yet) and I'll let you know how we get on.
Thanks everyone for your help and replies CxXX
 
Sounds like he's just going through that 'trying it on' phase now he's a little bit more mature and getting more confident in himself in his ridden work. Of course, the spring grass wont be helping either.

I think working with him in hand, long-reining especially if you can, would definitely help work through this phase and reinforce discipline and manners. Also, are you able to arrange for someone come in to give you some one-to-one lessons on him? Do you have anywhere you could do that? Having someone else helping from the ground can really help everyone.

He looks lovely BTW and WELCOME to the forum :)
Thank you Spyda- He is lovely and a real character, I absolutely love him to bits. I really just want to make sure I am doing everything right for both him and me.
 
Let me just check this - he is out 24/7 on spring grass AND haylage?! Have you enough grass in your field that you can cut out the haylage? As for vits/mins, all my 2 get in the summer is a handful of chaff with some pink powder - may be worth going down that route?
Sounds like he is just feeling well in himself as well as being young - my 6 year old welshy is feeling VERY full of herself at the minute!
He is gorgeous and (please correct me if I'm wrong) aren't appy's known for having a bit of attitude?
 
Yes thinking about it like that I can see it does look quite alarming. But his field is pretty small and bare and as he was used to having a massive net of haylage all through the winter I didn't think two small nets a day would have that much of an adverse effect, but I guess you never know! Well we've only got a weeks left of haylage anyway, so maybe I should just cut that out now and put him on to hay. I don't dare not give him anything as he always seems so starving!!
Regarding the appy attitude, I'm not really sure tbh. But he does have an attitude when he wants to. He doesn't do it in a nasty trying to hurt you way he literally just has a tantrum... He actually lay down once beacuse I was making him stand still and wait for his friend and he didn't want to!! (whilst I was leading him)
I might try that pink powder then, I never know what the best vit/mineral thing to feed is!!
 
Ah OK fair enough, I had a vision of him being in a field that had been rested for a while so had lots of grass in!
I have no experience with Appy's so just going on what others have told me - I have a welshy which is bad enough! I think it will just be a case of a young horse on spring grass feeling well!
 
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