popp
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what kind of temperments do irish sports horses have which do you have or would you have if you had to choose. do they hot up like warmbloods
irish sports horse or warmblood etc
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BB2008
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Irish Sport Horse every time!!!
hey are sweet and fun. Personally after the experiences I have had I wouldn't touch a warmblood with a barge pole - but horses for courses and all that!
hey are sweet and fun. Personally after the experiences I have had I wouldn't touch a warmblood with a barge pole - but horses for courses and all that!
Blizzard
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Beau is WB x ISH and has the best temperment ever!
WB and ISH can mean so many things, the type of warmblood etc, so I would judge each horse on its own temperment, not go by breed TBH.
WB and ISH can mean so many things, the type of warmblood etc, so I would judge each horse on its own temperment, not go by breed TBH.
KatB
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ISH are really warmbloods. "warmbloods" that we know are just affiliated to a stud book. ISH's are really the "warmblood" of ireland. However, personally prefer irish horses to continental horses
Mine is as irish as they get, and is a real character, and although can be stubborn is generally very genuine.
disco
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I have a warmblood and I feel like all my Birthdays have come at once, she's an absolute dream! I've been very successful with her and her main aim in life is to please!
I have heard comments that some people dont get on with them but mine to me is priceless!
I have heard comments that some people dont get on with them but mine to me is priceless!
kerilli
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ISH are generally very generous horses. i've evented 3, they really do think for themselves, have an extra leg when necessary, not hold your mistakes against you, in my experience. they aren't as naturally spooky as (foreign type) WBs.
yes, they hot up, but not in as daft a way, i've found... they still think about their body and where it is, they won't just chuck themselves around regardless the way WBs will.
a real expert (had literally thousands of ISHs, and about 30-50 foreign wbs as a trial), whose opinion i rate higher than virtually any other horsey person i know, goes for ISHs all the time. one big reason is that an ISH, when suspicious of something, props kind-of upwards, i.e. raises head, and is still in a position to jump, whereas a wb does so downwards, sort-of crouches a bit, and puts itself in a worse/impossible position to jump. if you've had one of each do it, you'll know what i mean!
the wbs don't stand up to so much work either, have shorter comp lives, according to someone else whose experience and opinions i really respect.
wbs are often the better athletes, with more natural spring off the ground in their paces and pure scope, but not necessarily as trainable, more likely to chuck toys out of the pram, imh experience.
yes, they hot up, but not in as daft a way, i've found... they still think about their body and where it is, they won't just chuck themselves around regardless the way WBs will.
a real expert (had literally thousands of ISHs, and about 30-50 foreign wbs as a trial), whose opinion i rate higher than virtually any other horsey person i know, goes for ISHs all the time. one big reason is that an ISH, when suspicious of something, props kind-of upwards, i.e. raises head, and is still in a position to jump, whereas a wb does so downwards, sort-of crouches a bit, and puts itself in a worse/impossible position to jump. if you've had one of each do it, you'll know what i mean!
the wbs don't stand up to so much work either, have shorter comp lives, according to someone else whose experience and opinions i really respect.
wbs are often the better athletes, with more natural spring off the ground in their paces and pure scope, but not necessarily as trainable, more likely to chuck toys out of the pram, imh experience.
popp
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I have a warmblood and I feel like all my Birthdays have come at once, she's an absolute dream! I've been very successful with her and her main aim in life is to please!
I have heard comments that some people dont get on with them but mine to me is priceless!
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thats lovely
I have a warmblood and I feel like all my Birthdays have come at once, she's an absolute dream! I've been very successful with her and her main aim in life is to please!
I have heard comments that some people dont get on with them but mine to me is priceless!
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thats lovely
Persephone
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I have an ISH. She is the most fantastic, generous, intelligent, sensible, safe, fun horse I have ever known. Anyone who looks after her for me on occasion refers to her as "an angel" but she also has a great sense of humour and is extremely loving and loyal.
Yes she hot's up jumping, but only in an enjoying it kind of way. I never, ever feel unsafe on her.
Oh did I mention she is beautiful too!
Yes she hot's up jumping, but only in an enjoying it kind of way. I never, ever feel unsafe on her.
Oh did I mention she is beautiful too!
fruity
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wbs are often the better athletes, with more natural spring off the ground in their paces and pure scope, but not necessarily as trainable, more likely to chuck toys out of the pram, imh experience.
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and that sums my horse up to a T very frustrating as she has it but sometimes her work ethic is appalling although she is a baby still so lots to work on and learn.
wbs are often the better athletes, with more natural spring off the ground in their paces and pure scope, but not necessarily as trainable, more likely to chuck toys out of the pram, imh experience.
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and that sums my horse up to a T very frustrating as she has it but sometimes her work ethic is appalling although she is a baby still so lots to work on and learn.
Colleen_Miss_Tom
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ISH all the way for me too , Always had them , Missy as most of you know is reg ISH and she is proving to have a wonderful temperment and a great attitude to work ( started long reining her ) My last mare was an ISH and she had the sweetest temperment , hotted up a little in jumping but was a star and always tried for me .
lifeslemons
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Firstly, Irish Sport Horses are the warmbloods of Ireland, offically!
It depends on the discipline... in my experience (eventing) Irish Sport Horses are very genuine horses, (as the old housewive's story goes - big ears!) I think the fact that in their formative years they are often shoved in a field of 30 means they are a bit more hardy than other breeds, and used to conditions like MUD. This is helped by the fact that they tend to have slightly more substance than a pure TB.
However, they can be very late maturing and can take a while to grow into themselves, I've found. Quick learners and think quickly too - have a fifth leg to get themselves out of trouble. Bear in mind that the term "ISH" is rather like "Liquorice Allsorts" - they have a bit of everything in them. This means they can inherit a TB's good traits, eg, its gallop, but doesn't have to be plauged by poor feet etc.
It depends on the discipline... in my experience (eventing) Irish Sport Horses are very genuine horses, (as the old housewive's story goes - big ears!) I think the fact that in their formative years they are often shoved in a field of 30 means they are a bit more hardy than other breeds, and used to conditions like MUD. This is helped by the fact that they tend to have slightly more substance than a pure TB.
However, they can be very late maturing and can take a while to grow into themselves, I've found. Quick learners and think quickly too - have a fifth leg to get themselves out of trouble. Bear in mind that the term "ISH" is rather like "Liquorice Allsorts" - they have a bit of everything in them. This means they can inherit a TB's good traits, eg, its gallop, but doesn't have to be plauged by poor feet etc.
Starbucks
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Another ISH fan here!
rcm_73
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I would go ISH, there is one on our yard and he would be the perfect horse only for his tendon injury. He is so sane and sensible and yet can turn his hoof to anything!
lastresort
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Im on my second I also have a hannovarian. They are very different. I love him (ish) for some things and her for others. He is rising 5 but still very immature which is a drawback but id say thats the only thing, he is bold and full of courage and never says no. He took me round Firle XC and I had a broken wrist but I trusted him so much I had no worries (we did 3 others aswell)
He can be naughty but thats his age. He is full of personality and I cant wait to compete on him later in the year.
ISH are great but slow maturing.
He can be naughty but thats his age. He is full of personality and I cant wait to compete on him later in the year.
ISH are great but slow maturing.
Starbucks
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My ISH has been very slow maturing. He's nine now and still not totally grown in to himself. I think Irish horses in general tend to have a very kind willing temperament.
khan
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i've had my wb for nearly 11 years and wouldn't swap him for anything!! i'd rather lose my house!!
he's now 18 and can be a complete loon at times, but very willing, will jump anything in front of him and not too bad at dressage either! i find that they are generally very kind, trainable horses, and in general, everyone who meets him wants to take him home with them!
he's now 18 and can be a complete loon at times, but very willing, will jump anything in front of him and not too bad at dressage either! i find that they are generally very kind, trainable horses, and in general, everyone who meets him wants to take him home with them!
volatis
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There are a number of 'warmblood' stallions standing in Ireland so chances are your ISH is half warmblood anyway - thats why i laugh when people claim to love one type and hate the other. Take Cavalier for example, been a leading Irish sire for ever - he was Holstein - about as 'warmblood' as you can get
TarrSteps
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Sigh.
How can anyone generalise? Individual differences are far more important than breed profiles - that would be akin to racism.
BLOODLINE differences I would be more inclined to put some credence in, although I've ridden enough groups of related horses to know even that's a generality, not a rule.
As said they're all mixed in the pot, anyway. I love the story about Marius - superior example of Irish breeding - turning out late in the game to be Dutch. (With "missing" papers.) Not to mention that there are all sorts of horses from European books standing in Ireland, some with "additional" names (registered as one thing, known as another) which obscure their origins.
(I'd make a bit of a distinction for RID's, since they are bloodline based and much more narrowly defined. Is that what we're talking about?)
What I might put more stock in are differences in breeding goals and husbandry techniques. Nations tend to breed - maybe unconsciously - what they traditionally "like" (look at Arabs and TBs from different countries) so I could see Irish breeders selecting for individuals and lines which represent what they see as idea. And certainly the "early speed" bug does not seem to have caught on as much in Ireland, so there is less pressure to produce horses maturing and competing early. I think that's a BIG advantage but then not everyone agrees. And the Irish seem more inclined and able to turn horses out in relatively rough terrain with age appropriate groups than some European breeders.
But on blood . . . the world is a much smaller place since the introduction of easy air travel and shipped semen. Sport horses (ISH is a member of the WBFSH, just like the Hannovarians, Holstein, Canadian Sport Horse etc and follows the applicable rules accordingly) the world over are more and more a mix of the best everyone has to offer with whatever's traditionally available.
How can anyone generalise? Individual differences are far more important than breed profiles - that would be akin to racism.
As said they're all mixed in the pot, anyway. I love the story about Marius - superior example of Irish breeding - turning out late in the game to be Dutch. (With "missing" papers.) Not to mention that there are all sorts of horses from European books standing in Ireland, some with "additional" names (registered as one thing, known as another) which obscure their origins.
(I'd make a bit of a distinction for RID's, since they are bloodline based and much more narrowly defined. Is that what we're talking about?)
What I might put more stock in are differences in breeding goals and husbandry techniques. Nations tend to breed - maybe unconsciously - what they traditionally "like" (look at Arabs and TBs from different countries) so I could see Irish breeders selecting for individuals and lines which represent what they see as idea. And certainly the "early speed" bug does not seem to have caught on as much in Ireland, so there is less pressure to produce horses maturing and competing early. I think that's a BIG advantage but then not everyone agrees. And the Irish seem more inclined and able to turn horses out in relatively rough terrain with age appropriate groups than some European breeders.
But on blood . . . the world is a much smaller place since the introduction of easy air travel and shipped semen. Sport horses (ISH is a member of the WBFSH, just like the Hannovarians, Holstein, Canadian Sport Horse etc and follows the applicable rules accordingly) the world over are more and more a mix of the best everyone has to offer with whatever's traditionally available.