Irish Vettings- Enough?

[commandcontrol]

Currently purchasing a horse.

He is 4, and comes with a vetting from an Irish sale ~2 months ago. Sale was one I had heard of but can't remember which one.

Horse is to be an RC all rounder type. Are these vetting equivalent to a 2 stage? Being sold by a small but v. reputable eventer and they worked him decently on viewing with nothing obvious untoward to see/hear.

The only thing that came up on the vetting was a small superficial scar on a cornet band, not sure if it's worth redoing it? All else "clear" but was only shown the vetting slip.

And yes, a couple of hundred quid would be nice to save if these original vetting are legit and detailed enough!

Thanks

 

[stormox]

Theyr legit Allright, and have to be done by vets on the sales (Goresbridge?) Panel. But they are vetting to be suitable to do the job they are being sold for, hunter, show jumper, etc etc.
They aren't a full evaluationn of everything that might go wrong with the horse.

 

[Lady Jane]

I wouldn't be happy with a 2 month old vetting even if done in England, with a 4 year old you expect it to have a very clean bill of health

 

[ollierdog]

Highly recommend you get your own English 5 stage vetting done, iv bought multiple horses through numerous Irish sales and have had some nasty surprises from heart murmurs to eye issues which vets have said must have been missed or not noted!

A friend also had 3 Connie’s vetted all from separate Irish sellers all failed, one heart, one eyes and one on its wind. All 3 were then in Clifton sales a week later with clean vet certificates!

They don’t ride for sales vettings, sometimes miss the lunging on the hard and the flexions are very lax it’s defiantly worth having your own vetting done for your ridden purpose, for the sake of £350/£400 it’s too late once you’ve got the horse home

 

[millitiger]

I wouldn't trust a 2 month old vetting I didn't attend, English or Irish.

 

[ihatework]

Things can change in 2 months especially on young horses that start some work (this is often when niggles start to show). Auction vetting are pretty basic. I’d strongly recommend a full 5 stage.

 

[cornbrodolly]

Irish vetting proved useless for our purchase. They are equivalent to a 2 stage I think , you need a 5 stage I would say. Hope it all goes well!
ps make sure the vets age the horse , and take bloods to see if he is medicated. If we d done this , instead of relying on an Irish vetting , we would have saved much heartbreak and money.

 

[fredflop]

Highly recommend you get your own English 5 stage vetting done, iv bought multiple horses through numerous Irish sales and have had some nasty surprises from heart murmurs to eye issues which vets have said must have been missed or not noted!

A friend also had 3 Connie’s vetted all from separate Irish sellers all failed, one heart, one eyes and one on its wind. All 3 were then in Clifton sales a week later with clean vet certificates!

They don’t ride for sales vettings, sometimes miss the lunging on the hard and the flexions are very lax it’s defiantly worth having your own vetting done for your ridden purpose, for the sake of £350/£400 it’s too late once you’ve got the horse home

The Irish vettings I’ve seen are let’s say “different” to the ones in Britain. Things that would be mentioned on GB vetting not mentioned on Irish.

Also seen clean Irish sales vettings, horse has arrived with a noticeable difference to the vetting.

 

[LEC]

Never trust an Irish sales vetting. They might as well be written by kids learning to write for how accurate they are.
Sarcoids not noted, massive boney lumps not noted, behaviours not noted, gait abnormalities not noted.

Tbh I think they are a waste of time and don’t know why the sales bother with them.

 

[eahotson]

Highly recommend you get your own English 5 stage vetting done, iv bought multiple horses through numerous Irish sales and have had some nasty surprises from heart murmurs to eye issues which vets have said must have been missed or not noted!

A friend also had 3 Connie’s vetted all from separate Irish sellers all failed, one heart, one eyes and one on its wind. All 3 were then in Clifton sales a week later with clean vet certificates!

They don’t ride for sales vettings, sometimes miss the lunging on the hard and the flexions are very lax it’s defiantly worth having your own vetting done for your ridden purpose, for the sake of £350/£400 it’s too late once you’ve got the horse home

Very interesting

 

[Rowreach]

Who are all these English vets that are coming to Ireland to do 5 stage PPIs?

I said on another thread the other day, if you use a reputable and independent Irish vet and specify what you want included, they will do the job. Get the seller's vet friend, they probably won't. Same as in "England" .

To answer the OP, any vetting that happened two months ago is out of date.

And any vetting, English or otherwise, is a snapshot in time.

 

[Reacher]

Sorry posted in wrong thread. Again.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Over 25 years ago I lived in Norfolk for several years. During that time I bought and sold several horses. I was not a professional dealer, more of an amateur horse enthusiast producing a little and selling on.

In the East Anglia region it was well known in the horse world, that if you were selling, a buyer that used either of these two vets would be delighted with a 5 stage vetting pass with no reservations. The seller would be even more delighted to sell their horse that more often than not had health issues that these vets failed to pick up, or simply failed to declare. Two entirely separate practices by the way.

Obviously I never chose to use them for my own purchases but many newbies to the area or horse world often did when unscrupulous sellers recommended them.

My point is, please stop constantly demonizing Irish vets. The same as over in the UK, obviously we have some that are either useless or corrupt. We also have a good many that are top notch and would no more sign off a dodgy vet cert than stick pins in their eyes. Do your homework and due diligence. Check your vets credentials as well, if not better, than the horse you are buying. Pay for a 5 stage, take bloods, and insist on X-rays if any questions are raised if you still want to buy.

And never, ever big up your experience and knowledge if horse shopping in Ireland privately or at the sales. Most sellers will see through you in a nano second. Decent ones will do their best to help you, some others not so much.