Is he to light for a lightweight hunter??

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I'm doing an R2R class at Malvern and I wanted to do another to make the trip worth while. I was going to do riding horse but they only have hoys qualifiers and I cannot afford a full registration for it. So I was going to do the lightweight hunter class. But is he to light ?

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He no longer jumps, (well, hel do a small course) he was diagnosed with navicular and bone spavins last year so since he has come sound he only pops a small course.
 
He would need more bone to be a lightweight hunter. And more condition. Is there a sports horse class he would be suited to that. The hunters are big even in the light section!
 
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They have flat ridden sports horse but that's only for 4,5 and 6 year olds. They have hack and riding horse classes but only Hoys qualifiers which means I would have to pay full registration rather than just getting a day ticket which would have been ideal. Its a shame they don't do the same as the shb(gb) that if you can buy a day ticket and if you qualify (unlikely in my case!) then you have to pay full registration.
 
Honest answer, I would just enter the ROR class and have extra spending money on going round the show. If the ground is hard, it won't do him any favours doing a second class, and although a very nice horse, is not really huntery enough.

I thought they did several ror classes at this show - is there nothing else you can enter?
 
He can do novice and the open ror but they are one after the other and he isn't really a novice so I just feel it unfair competing against those that will be. My class is at 8:00 in the morning so we were staying up the night before. Maybe I should enter the novice to? The classes are a reasonable price but I don't know if it would be right of me to show my horse as a novice and then to go straight into the next class which is an open. This is more to get him back into the swing if things after his long holiday.
 
It's also experience for me to, I have a five year old small hunter type that will be coming next year and I've had a long holiday to ;-)
 
china said:
It's also experience for me to, I have a five year old small hunter type that will be coming next year and I've had a long holiday to ;-)
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If you are desperate to do two classes, then I would do the novice as well. Providing he is eligible to be a novice, then there is no reason at all you cannot do the novice and the open classes.
 
This is the first ror class of the day CLASS 106. Potential Performance Classes. Exhibits will be assessed individually and marks awarded accordingly (a) Jumping 40%, (b) Style and presence while jumping 20%, (c) Conformation 40%. Account will be taken of dislodged fences and refusals but final assessment will be made on overall jumping ability. Three refusals and the exhibit is eliminated. Exhibits will enter the ring and give a SHORT show. They will proceed immediately to jump. The first fence will be practice jump and will not be marked. The use of martingales and brushing boots is not prohibited but is not encouraged.

Does anyone have any idea what size the fences are, I haven't found anything as of yet.
 
I did one of those a couple of years ago, I don't remember the fences being big, I think they were 2ft9ish? With one big upright that was optional at the end. It's a bit like a back to front working hunter class
Is it called the ROR Challenge? I think if you go on the RoR website it tells you what it is.
 
There is also a class called ror challenge which is class h107 which has details of all the fences etc but this one doesnt. I have emailed them as I can't find any information on it.
 
The Retrained Racehorse Challenge has been designed to give horses with racing injuries a chance to compete without being hindered by low conformation marks.

The jumping phase asks competitors to jump 6 rustic fences up to 3'0" and there are 2 optional bonus coloured fences of a larger height up to 3'6". Once the showing phase has commenced you will be asked to perform an individual show to include various movements as outlined in our rules section. Conformation will also be judged but racing injuries will be overlooked.
Copied from the RoR website. I don't think ours was at all up to height.
And I won Tesco vouchers which made my OH very happy!
 
Haha. I'm googling the performance horse class. The racehorse challenge is class h107, but the class I'm looking at is class 106 which is called potential performance horse which is a royal Windsor qualifier by the looks of it. The description I have put above is what I copied from the schedule, but it says nothing about the height of the fences.
 
china said:
I'm doing an R2R class at Malvern and I wanted to do another to make the trip worth while. I was going to do riding horse but they only have hoys qualifiers and I cannot afford a full registration for it. So I was going to do the lightweight hunter class. But is he to light ?

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Hi China.

You need to read the schedule again ! The ridden open show hunter classes are ALL Hoys qualifiers. Your horse will need to be registered on the SHGB database and the entry fee for the class will carry a premium.

The novice hunter is open to any weight but they still must be registered with SHGB.

Your lovely boy isn't a lightweight hunter in the realms of what will be at the Counties. For a good example of the correct stamp google Finn McCool or Katie Jerram has a few nice lightweights. Although they are termed lightweight they are actually horses that can carry 12 1/2 stone all day in the hunting field and most will be nearing 8 to 9" of bone. The hunters will all be topped out and when you actually get up close to them they are big horses.

By all means show your boy but do be careful with the costs versus result/pleasure at top level. Have a great day regardless of which way to go with your lovely horses.
 
I spoke to SHB(GB) and they are much cheaper the register with than bsha and they have the option to register on the hunter register on a ticket and if you qualify then you have to pay full amount where as the bsha don't give I that option. From what I worked out on the schedule, the top spec hunter classes were Hoys qualifiers and the amateur and novice are not. See that's what confuses me, a lightweight hunter needs to have more bone than him, but has to have the ability to carry just over 12st. I am 12st.... Although people are usually surprised by that, he is more than capable of carrying the recommended amount for a lightweight. It makes my mind boggle..
 
Have relooked at schedule
HORSE OF THE YEAR SHOW. The highest placed unqualified Hunter in the first four, in classes H1-H3 will qualify for the Horse of the Year Show 3rd - 7th October 2012. No horse lower than fourth will qualify. Those are the top spec classes

I was looking at H4 amateur lightweight
 
I nearly entered that as its the same day as the ror class but the registrations are to expensive as it a hoy qualifier. :-( maybe next year! He's not getting any younger though bless him. He will be 15 next year so will be eligible for veteran classes.
 
china said:
I nearly entered that as its the same day as the ror class but the registrations are to expensive as it a hoy qualifier. :-( maybe next year! He's not getting any younger though bless him. He will be 15 next year so will be eligible for veteran classes.
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Unless you have money to chuck away, then registering with either the SHB or BSHA in order to do HOYS classes is not going to be money well spent. A fifteen year old horse is unlikely to qualify for HOYS and the classes are phenominally expensive. One option is to join the VHS and do the veteran classes next year. But with an older horse that has already had problems with soundness, I would be thinking about fewer classes rather than more. He is a lovely type, but, like so many TBs, doesn't really fall into a top quality type. He is a bit too huntery to be a RH, but not quite enough to be a proper LW hunter.

I hope you are not offended, but showing is expensive and it would be a shame for your lovely horse to be a the wrong end of the line simply because he is not typey enough for the HOYS qualifiers.
 
FMM said:
Unless you have money to chuck away, then registering with either the SHB or BSHA in order to do HOYS classes is not going to be money well spent. A fifteen year old horse is unlikely to qualify for HOYS and the classes are phenominally expensive. One option is to join the VHS and do the veteran classes next year. But with an older horse that has already had problems with soundness, I would be thinking about fewer classes rather than more. He is a lovely type, but, like so many TBs, doesn't really fall into a top quality type. He is a bit too huntery to be a RH, but not quite enough to be a proper LW hunter.

I hope you are not offended, but showing is expensive and it would be a shame for your lovely horse to be a the wrong end of the line simply because he is not typey enough for the HOYS qualifiers.
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That is precisely why I'm not entering the class because the registration is a waste of money, it just seemed silly to stable overnight and travel over an hour for one class but it will be a nice day out. I need some more ring experience ready for my five year old. He is a perfect ror horse, he moves beautifully and is incredibly obedient. He's just not as chunky as some. Wel just do the one class and enjoy the day out :-) its only £31 for a stable for the night and day so may well do that as the class is at 8am and queuing to get in the showground really isn't my idea of fun when you start panicking about time!
 
There was one at least one 15 year old qualified last year....its just that the true ages are not always told!!!

Do agree though it is a lot to register for the occasional class. We still do even though horse is in mid teens but given the cost of the RIHS HOYS levy on classes we will mainly just do amateur classes unless it is a judge I know my horse goes well for.
 
china said:
I nearly entered that as its the same day as the ror class but the registrations are to expensive as it a hoy qualifier. :-( maybe next year! He's not getting any younger though bless him. He will be 15 next year so will be eligible for veteran classes.
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China, I mentioned to you a couple of days ago, my middleweight was amatuer champion 3 years running at the Counties. What I didn't tell you was he was 14, 15 and 16 years old when he did it. In addition to the Counties, he was 7th two years running at Hoys and the only non pro owned/ridden/produced in the final, plus he won many open classes and championships through those 3 years all over the country.

Age means nothing, the judge does not know how old the horse is and should not be swayed in his decision by age.

Four year old or 14 year old show horses have to do their job properly to do well and be correct in their type. Don't let your boys age put you off doing anything if he is able to do what you want him to do.

Personally I don't understand the veteran classes or how they are judged because there seems to be every type/size put together in the classes.

It would be a good idea for you to watch some of the hunter classes, they are interesting and a lot can be learnt, good and bad !
 
humblepie said:
There was one at least one 15 year old qualified last year....its just that the true ages are not always told!!!

Do agree though it is a lot to register for the occasional class. We still do even though horse is in mid teens but given the cost of the RIHS HOYS levy on classes we will mainly just do amateur classes unless it is a judge I know my horse goes well for.
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Yes. I know. In fact I rode my 18 year old cob at HOYS a few years ago and we only missed out on a place as he rudely took off with the judge! We did manage a second at RIHS that year, so it was not a bad year ... However, the older horses are established show horses who have not had a terribly hard life and their limbs are still pretty good. I am not ageist at all, but for a horse that is not typey enough, being 15 is really not going to make it any easier!!!

AdorableAlice - if the OP has limitless funds, then fair enough - but given her horse has been through the mill with soundness issues, it may be more fun for both of them to do the ex racer classes.
 
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