Is micronised linseed the same as cooked linseed?

[sonjafoers]

As title really, I'm getting a bit confused by it all

 

[Miss L Toe]

Micronised linseed is a lightly cooked linseed, done on a factory scale, it is a dry meal not whole seeds, it is fed in a mash, well that is how I feed it.
Cooked linseed, is boiled seeds, traditionally boiled for hours, the resultant porridge is very gooey, often fed as a gruel, with bran after hunting.
Other people may think differently.

 

[eggs]

No. Micronised linseed can be added dry to your horse's usual feed (I always damp my feeds down). Boiled linsed has to be cooked first. I've never bought boiled linseed but whole linseed which has to be boiled and simmered for quite a log time before it is safe to feed.

 

[sonjafoers]

Sorry but I'm still a bit confused.

I've bought a bag of linseed by Equus Health called Straight Cooked Linseed, it's like a heavy powder and just says to add to feed. However everything else I've seen which looks the same seems to be called micronised linseed.

I just want to make sure I'm not missing something obvious!

 

[eggs]

Sorry but I'm still a bit confused.

I've bought a bag of linseed by Equus Health called Straight Cooked Linseed, it's like a heavy powder and just says to add to feed. However everything else I've seen which looks the same seems to be called micronised linseed.

I just want to make sure I'm not missing something obvious!

Sounds like micronised linseed to me. To me it looks rather like bran. Raw linseed is very small, dark brown and oval shaped seeds with pointy ends if that makes any sense.

 

[Oberon]

It'll be micronised.

It's a way of cooking it where it keeps well and doesn't slop all over your car on the way home

Alot of feeds have micronised wheat feed/maize/soya hulls etc

 

[piebaldsparkle]

Whole seed (that you need to cook boil) look like this.

 

[ellie_e]

Agree if it's a powder then it's micro, can be fed straightaway

 

[sonjafoers]

Thank you everybody, it's definately a bran looking type powder and it does say just add to feed. My horse is still standing after having it for a few days so I'm guessing it is micronised!

 

[amandap]

Micronized linseed is ground irradiated whole linseed not cooked/heated. Cooked linseed could be anything imo. Linseed is sold after oil is removed for other purposes on it's own or in numerous feeds. Heat destroys lots of the goodies in linseed so you really need to try and find out how it is cooked and prepared before you know for sure what you are feeding.

 

[sonjafoers]

Thank you amandap, it does say straight cooked linseed on the bag so maybe it's not the best linseed product I could have bought. I will definately look for micronised next time and make sure I get that.

 

[Ladyinred]

Micronized linseed is ground irradiated whole linseed not cooked/heated. Cooked linseed could be anything imo. Linseed is sold after oil is removed for other purposes on it's own or in numerous feeds. Heat destroys lots of the goodies in linseed so you really need to try and find out how it is cooked and prepared before you know for sure what you are feeding.

Now thats an eye opener. Thank you amandap.. now you tell us it is obvious to understand. Sooo.. if the oil has been removed is there a lot of point in feeding it?

 

[amandap]

Now thats an eye opener. Thank you amandap.. now you tell us it is obvious to understand. Sooo.. if the oil has been removed is there a lot of point in feeding it?

The oil cannot be removed completely and it will help with coat etc. The word cooked could mean cooked by micronization of whole linseed I don't know. Micronized is a specific process to preserve the linseed without altering it too much. Generally the linseed produced though the irradiating process is called micronized or stabilized.
Cooked as I said could mean anything. Some companies call it cooked micronized I think. The linseed op mentions could well be micronized she just needs to check that's all.

 

[Tnavas]

Linseed Meal - has been cold pressed to remove the oil which is used for the preparation of paint, but still has some oil in it.

Boiled Linseed - Bring to boil in a reasonable quantity of water and simmer for 20 mins - it doesn't need hours of cooking to make it safe

Ground Linseed - which you can do yourself using a coffee grinder - the best method as it retains all the goodness both for a shiny coat and for healthy joints. Needs to be ground fresh daily as it will go rancid quickly.

Micronised - is far more expensive but still retains the goodies - can be stored without going rancid

Quantity is the key to feeding Linseed safely - 1 cupful daily of fresh ground is safe to feed.

 

[JillA]

I am revisiting this because I have been buying all sorts of linseed to get condition on my old mare. The pressed oil extracted version is called linseed lozenges in this area, and costs pretty much the same as the micronized, but without the benefits, come on guys it is more or less a waste product . I have been buying "cooked linseed" which is a meal, but doesn't say full fat, unlike the Charnwood micronized, and it is a few ££££s cheaper - Countrywide sell it, as do the wholesalers I use. It has been out of stock for a while and when I asked about timescales they mentioned Dodson & Horrell as suppliers, but it isn't on their product list.
So still unclear as to the difference between "full fat micronized" (meal) and "cooked" meal. Does anyone actually know?

 

[Palindrome]

So still unclear as to the difference between "full fat micronized" (meal) and "cooked" meal. Does anyone actually know?

Meal is the opposite of full fat (Meal=oil removed, full fat=no oil removed). Micronized is a type of cooking (like amandap said it is cooked by irradiating), another type of cooking is boiling.

Best price on line for full fat micronized is here:
http://www.farmandpetplace.co.uk/pr...eed/conditioning/micronized-linseed-20kg.html
It's high quality so you only need to feed up to 500g for a 500kg horse.

ETA: sorry just saw it's out of stock.

 

[JillA]

I think there must be a supply problem, it is getting hard to find.

 

[cobgoblin]

Micronized linseed is cooked with infra-red rays. The 'micronized' part refers to the size of the particles ie: very small.

 

[JillA]

Curiouser and curiouser - I have just rechecked the name of the supplier of "cooked linseed" on my wholesalers list, and they are Micronised Food Products. So I have emailed them to ask about the analysis and process as compared to "full fat micronized" and see what they reply next week.
(Palindrome they are both "meal", that is the texture not the product, you can get all sorts of meals)

 

[MrsNorris]

I just buy the seeds and grind them up in a coffee grinder each day. Its cheap, you know its fresh as the seeds keep for a long time until ground, and all of the nutritional benefits are intact. And it's completely safe to feed up to about 500g a day, which is far more than most people would want to feed anyway. My horse has been on 1 mugful for years with excellent results and I can buy the seeds in 20kg sacks locally, for about £17.

 

[Pen]

http://www.efeed.co.uk/products/horse-feed/straights/linseed-meal

I buy the above. Its produced by Marriages Specialized Feeds. It labelled Cooked Linseed Meal. You get free delivery for orders over £40 and under 30kg.

 

[Tnavas]

Hollybear 500g is far too much fed raw, the maximum safe amount for a horse is 1 cupful daily.

JillA For weight gain you would need to feed either micronised Linseed or boiled Linseed.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

JillA, try your oldie on EquiJewel (Saracen horse feeds).
Its not cheap at all, but will do the job for you - have found it blooming brilliant

 

[JillA]

JillA For weight gain you would need to feed either micronised Linseed or boiled Linseed.

That's the point - I suspect "cooked linseed" is actually micronized and that's what I am trying to find out

 

[sem9999]

Yes it is all rather confusing, because terms are used out of context:

Micronisation actually refers to the fact seeds have been ground in to smaller particles.

However it is commonly used to refer to a form of 'cooked' linseed which is not boiled, but heat treated. This process I believe cannot happen unless the seeds are in a micronised form, hence it is commonly referred to as micronised.

In short no need to worry this type of linseed is fine to feed to horses.
Here the cheapest delivered price I have found for linseed (£22.49 including delivery):

http://equiworldlimited.co.uk/tackshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=99

Also not to be confused with linseed lozenges which have very little nutrional value as most of the oils have been extracted.

 

[Palindrome]

OK, stand corrected , when it is listed as linseed meal amongst other ingredients it's usually what's left over from removing the oil. I guess ringing the seller is the best way to go, unless it states full fat micronized and cooked on the label.
I only feed the Charnwood one personnally.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Gjw Tittmus will deliver the charnwood mill micronised linseed its about £19 a bag.

 

[MrsNorris]

Hollybear 500g is far too much fed raw, the maximum safe amount for a horse is 1 cupful daily.

"A study published in the Canadian Journal of Veterinary Research in 2002 looking at the ability of flaxseed to reduce the inflammation associated with culicoides hypersensitivity (sweet itch or Queensland itch) reported that they fed 1 lb of flaxseed per 1000 lb of bodyweight to horses (or 0.5 kg per 500 kg bodyweight) over a period of 42 days with no negative side‐effects being observed. With this dose rate being much higher than the normal 1 to 2 cups fed per day it can be concluded that flaxseed is safe to feed to horses without cooking it first."

Quoted from a ****** newsletter, there's loads of evidence that raw linseed is safe in quite large amount, including studies where cattle, who are a lot more sensitive to it than horses, were fed it at a rate of 15% of the whole diet, and suffered no ill effects whatsoever.

 

[FairyLights]

wouldnt risk it though. Raw linseed contains a toxin which is removed by boiling.

 

[Goldenstar]

Another question is how much of the energy is available to the horse , I don't know but it may well be that feed raw a lot more of the calories are not digested so you are wasting calories and money.