Is my pony grieving, please help? :(

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I have a feeling my little boy might be grieving, but I have never been in a situation like this before, so not too sure; Would like to ask your advice on why you think he is acting why he is/what might help. I must say that I am not looking for sympathy from this post, nor do I wish to upset anybody with details, so please, if you have lost a horse recently, please don't read, as I would not want to upset you, but need to give a few details to get the advice....

So I just had my old boy, Paddy, put down at the grand old age of 34. Gizmo, my little Welsh pony, has been with us for nearly 21 years now (i was 5 months old when we got him, as was I). 18 of the years Gizmo has been with us, he has grazed with Paddy. Others have come and gone in the field with them, but those two have always been together. The only time they would of been apart is when one was taken out for a hack without the other. When I was learning to ride, my mum would often ride Paddy and lead me on Gizmo and there were never any problems. With Gizmo now being older, we don't do much with him - my cousin rides him maybe once or twice a week; Paddy had been retired 6 years previous to us having lost him - so, basically, you get the jist that they were always together 99% of the time, and have been for years.

The day I lost Pad (Valentine's day - sod's bloody law!), I went up to feed them, and Gizmo came to the fence for his bucket straight away. He wasn't hesitant at all, knowing Paddy was down in on the ground. When Paddy didn't come, I went and found him down at the bottom of the field, and had to have the vet called to him. Between finding him, and him passing, there was about 90 minutes. In this time, Gizmo didn't come near Paddy or anything - I would of thought it would distress him but it didn't seem to do so - He didn't see his dead body, or essentially say 'Bye' to him in any way.

We moved Gizmo to another field when we moved Pad's body, and all night we could hear him running around and whinnying. Every time he heard somebody come out the house, he would run to the gate, squeeling. He carried on like this for about a week, and lost a LOT of weight in this time. He continued eating normally, however, and my cousin has been riding him again (think she took him out after 5 days of losing Paddy) and he was fine in all ways.

He has now stopped the running about in the field and slipping everywhere like an idiot, but is still doing a lot of whinnying/squeeling/calling when he sees myself or my mum moving around in the yard. The main problem now is that he has become a little bit nasty, and he never was before - mum left me to brush him and allsorts from myself and Giz being 4/5 years old and he was ALWAYS a diamond! The other day I put my arm over his neck to fuss him and his ears went flat back, he turned around and went to kick me, then when he was facing me again, he put his head to the floor and snorted, like he was about the run at me. He is being really awkward about people touching/brushing him, his ears flat back and even tried to kick my mum the other day when she reached for his girth (he has NEVER shown any bad attitude towards my mum....ever!). He has always been the cheeky welsh sort - pulling zips for treats and that sort of thing, but a few times since we lost Paddy he has been licking my hand and then gone to bite it. He never really liked dogs before, but he cornered my uncle's the other day up against a wall, ears flat back, and was repeatedly kicking - Gypsy wasn't hurt - don't panic!

Don't get me wrong, we can still get him out, and my cousin has still been messing with/grooming/riding him, it's just the fact that he has never been NASTY before, just usually CHEEKY. Someone suggested to me that now my old lad is no longer with us, Gizmo might be acting like this because he is trying to re-arrange the pecking order, making himself top dog, that sort of thing? Someone else suggested that he was bored, as his grazing-mate has gone, or he is hungry because there is less grass in the bottom field - BUT he has two bucket feeds a day, as well as a haynet twice a day which is double-bagged, so it takes him longer to eat and keeps him occupied, and my cousin is riding twice a week.... I thought maybe it was because he hadn't seen Paddy's body - but he was in the field before I got there and must of known what was happeneing - some say they should see it, others say it's a bad idea.

Please no negative comments on how I am with my horses/his behaviour. I would just like a few ideas from people as to why he may be behaving like this? It may be nothing to do with losing Paddy, at all - but it seems linked to it, as his behaviour has changed since he has been grazing alone. I need your help, horsey friends; Anything will be appreciated :9 :confused:
 
Get him a companion that's what he needs a horse friend.
When my old pony died his BF was shipped off on loan to a family two days later it gave her a purpose and a new life she was fine .
I am pretty sure a friend will solve your issues.
 
Yes he is, had my old mare put down Oct and my young mare has lost 59lbs in weight will eat her food but not with her usual enjoyment, she is stabled next to my 3 boys but can't let her in with them as she'd be attacked by my older gelding and the two young ones would get into a tiswas over her, so she's in a paddock on her own where she can see what they are doing, so am thinking that if she's still like this come the summer, I shall look for a companion for her, if I was you see if you can find one for him.
 
Thanks so much for quick replies... I for got to add that we are currently looking for a mother daughter share, that would be his companion. Having no such luck though - we don't want to rush into buying anything, and emotional/financial situation won't allow that anyway... I posted a thread not too long back about looking for the perfect horse but stuggling.
I know he needs a friend, but it is breaking my heart a little bit more every time I see him whinnying or he puts his ears back at me... :(
 
Can you borrow a friend for him until you find a horse that suits you and Mum? That's what a friend of mine did, borrowed two little Shetlands to keep her gelding company after her mare died. When she found her new mare, they went back home. It could be a long, lonely, stressful time for him otherwise until you find something suitable.
 
Yes he'll be missing hie old friend. But he'll also be needing a companion.

Please don't leave him on his own too much longer.
 
I would agree he's definitely grieving, & after all those years probably would do regardless of what company he had. But if he's now alone then it will make the grieving worse. I appreciate if you are looking for a horse you can't just take on anything as a companion, but could you maybe ask round locally for one to borrow till then? Most peoples fields are a state right now, & I'm sure many people would happily lend you one if they are short of turnout.
 
Whilst you're looking for a new horse what about asking a local riding school if they have anyone who could do with a little holiday? We often 'lend' our guys to people who need a companion and tends to suit both parties. Good luck x
 
Ah yes, there was no finality for him and that's why he's getting himself into a state. I always make sure good friends get to sniff the body of their dead field mate and then I take the field mate out of the field but leave the horses in there. It's rare for them to do much more than sniff and then they move on.

One of my mares died 2 weeks ago and her son lived in the same field as her and they were pretty close. I had her out of the field but had her PTS right next to their fence so they could still sniff her. He hasn't called once for her but he is extremely quiet at the moment and not having much interaction with all the other youngsters like he usually does. He's been lying down sleeping flat out a lot and is just generally a little down in the dumps, but he'll be fine. Horses move on very quickly and with a new buddy yours will be right as rain again in no time. The biting and nipping is a stress reaction, totally normal so you should take care around him at the moment until he settles again.
 
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I'd say that if he's always had company he's probably feeling vulnerable and in need of company especially at this age.
 
I am a very paranoid horse owner so could be way off but could he have developed an ulcer when he was v stressed just after his friend died? Plus if hes getting 2 bucket feeds a day?? Not sure. If ou we could talk to them! Sorry about ur old boy
 
Thank you all for your replies...
Although I am not glad that he is acting the way he is, or that your horses did the same, I am happy that it seems to be a normal reaction.
I agree with you all that maybe he needs a companion, and we should look for one ASAP. We are going to look, for the second time, at a horse that seemed to suit us, later on today.... Fingers crossed she will be Gizzy's new friend! If not, I agree with you that I should start looking right away, maybe just for a shetland or someone to put in the field for him. In all honesty, when people were saying 'companion' I hadn't thought of borrowing a pony from someone - it is a good idea if people are willing to do it :) The last thing I want is for my boy's health to be at risk from him stressing.....:(
I hope he does eventually snap out of this behaviour, he used to be a right cuddly little cheeky chappy; I cant believe the complete 360o he has turned since losing Paddy.
Thanks again, all!
 
I am a very paranoid horse owner so could be way off but could he have developed an ulcer when he was v stressed just after his friend died? Plus if hes getting 2 bucket feeds a day?? Not sure. If ou we could talk to them! Sorry about ur old boy

Had never thought of anything along these lines.... He seems to be eating normally, etc. The two buckets are because there is hardly any grass where he is turned out (just a mud field - lovely), and the haynet only has one cake of hay, and it takes him all day to eat it....

Maybe I should get the vet out to him and just have a general check-over for him to check that their arent further problems past what I can see.

Thanks x
 
If he is on his own, he will not be sleeping as lone horses have been proven to sleep a lot less than those with company. Lack of sleep alone can make them cranky. I would make it your number one priority to find him a companion. The sooner the better.
 
So sorry for your loss.

If your pony is getting snappy and bad-tempered I would get him checked for ulcers. He will be grieving for his friend and very lonely, both things are very stressful for a horse so could cause ulcers. To be on the safe side, I would make sure that his bucket feed is high fibre, sugar free.
 
I have a 22 yr old new forest gelding, gets on with most horses, you can borrow him for a few weeks if you get desperate.

He is a 'professional' companion pony these days - friend borrowed him last summer to keep her mare company, because he loves mares in a sweet way. He follows them round the field a few steps behind - very attentive but never annoying :)

He has wintered out with two youngsters this year, and will probably go to my friend's for the summer but he is available for the cost of diesel to deliver him. You could probably find something nearer to home (I am Herts) but the offer's there. Hope you find something to buy soon but as you say don't rush into getting the wrong horse.
 
I have a 22 yr old new forest gelding, gets on with most horses, you can borrow him for a few weeks if you get desperate.

He is a 'professional' companion pony these days - friend borrowed him last summer to keep her mare company, because he loves mares in a sweet way. He follows them round the field a few steps behind - very attentive but never annoying :)

He has wintered out with two youngsters this year, and will probably go to my friend's for the summer but he is available for the cost of diesel to deliver him. You could probably find something nearer to home (I am Herts) but the offer's there. Hope you find something to buy soon but as you say don't rush into getting the wrong horse.

What an incredibly kind offer.
 
I have a 22 yr old new forest gelding, gets on with most horses, you can borrow him for a few weeks if you get desperate.

He is a 'professional' companion pony these days - friend borrowed him last summer to keep her mare company, because he loves mares in a sweet way. He follows them round the field a few steps behind - very attentive but never annoying :)

He has wintered out with two youngsters this year, and will probably go to my friend's for the summer but he is available for the cost of diesel to deliver him. You could probably find something nearer to home (I am Herts) but the offer's there. Hope you find something to buy soon but as you say don't rush into getting the wrong horse.

That is the kindest thing I have ever been offered by anyone, what a lovely gesture!
As i said earlier I went to look at three this morning (which is why I haven't replied sooner), but none of them were right... Infact I came off one, which was supposed to be a 'safe, steady, allrounder', yet it took off with me in a tight school and literally bolted to the fence, stopped, and threw me off!~
I really do not want to rush into buying one, so will consider your offer in a serious light. I'll speak to my Mum and I will let you know..
In the mean time i probably ought to get Gizzy checked out like a few of you have suggested...
I am hating every day he is like this :(
Beck xx
 
When we lost the Old Appy's best friend of twenty , she became sad and a bit grumpy and she had two mares with her! One she had known for about 16 years. She cheered up immensley when we got the current Appy about a month later and they buddied up until the Old Appy herself died a couple of years later. Fortunately the current lot are not as close to each other as the Old Appy and her lifelong best friend,some of them just do bond very closely. I do feel that he should not be left as a lone animal for any longer than absolutely necessary, it really is not good for horses.
 
An update for you all;
Went to look at three different horses yesterday;
1. Was meant to be a genuine allrounder that was '110% trustworthy in all traffic' - she was ok in the school, but was on her toes constantly on a quiet country lane, spooking, snorting and spinning when she saw a wheelie bin!
2. Couldnt even get her into canter no matter how I tried - was kicking like a 5 year old on a shetland!!
3.Was supposedly a 'quiet, kind lad'.. A quiet lad that took off with me when I asked him to trot and threw me into a fence..
Why cant people just be truthful about what they are selling? I could of seriously injured myself - the last horse was not quiet or suitable for me at all!
I am about getting ready to give up looking for something altogether, every time I look at one, I get more and more disheartened - must have been to look at 12 now!

Anyway, I really must thank you all so much for your suggestions, ideas and especially your kind gestures and offerings :D I have been looking online, and found a few 'companion' horses close to us... Going to spend my day tomorrow ringing around and seeing what they are looking for/telling them my situation. Fingers crossed we can find Gizzymodo a little friend!!
Bek x
 
Forgive me for being rude, but this has been going on too long. The pony is literally crying out to tell you he is upset and lonely... You need to pull your finger out. Sorry if thats blunt. Why wait to tomorrow to start phoning, when you could have pony settled sooner if you did it today..?

I only have two horses, should one die, I would be all over the local Facebook people/riding clubs etc to find something that I could borrow to go in with the remaining horse until I found a more permanant companion.
 
Forgive me for being rude, but this has been going on too long. The pony is literally crying out to tell you he is upset and lonely... You need to pull your finger out. Sorry if thats blunt. Why wait to tomorrow to start phoning, when you could have pony settled sooner if you did it today..?

I only have two horses, should one die, I would be all over the local Facebook people/riding clubs etc to find something that I could borrow to go in with the remaining horse until I found a more permanant companion.

In all fairness, I have already rang a few...
I have explained my situation to them completely, with all honesty, just as i have on here, and you'd be surprised at people's replies. Two separate owners didn't want to put their retired companion with Gizmo because they were scared he may be nasty to them and end up causing more damage than good to either pony...
I know it's been going on too long and we should have sorted something immediately, but things don't always work out that way. Do you not think we are prepared to do anything to stop our boy being like this? We die a little inside every time he isn't himself.
:(
 
In all fairness, I have already rang a few...
I have explained my situation to them completely, with all honesty, just as i have on here, and you'd be surprised at people's replies. Two separate owners didn't want to put their retired companion with Gizmo because they were scared he may be nasty to them and end up causing more damage than good to either pony...
I know it's been going on too long and we should have sorted something immediately, but things don't always work out that way. Do you not think we are prepared to do anything to stop our boy being like this? We die a little inside every time he isn't himself.
:(

Fair enough, but I don't think I'd read about any of that, just horses to buy..

Could you not put him on livery for a week or two until you find something then? As in a holiday livery type thing?
 
OP - very sorry for your lose

Can I second someone else's suggestion of asking at the local riding schools? I used to work at our local riding school and we ALWAYS had a horse/pony off work and turned away for a bit. They would probably bite your hand off to have someone take care of it for a while for nothing! My friend lost one of hers a few years ago leaving one alone and I suggested to her the riding school. She took one within the week........the horse never came 'riding school sound' again and the riding school faced having him PTS. My friend however would not part with him and he now has a luxury home for life :)
 
I have had an email this afternoon from Blue Cross desperate to find companion homes, so they can take more ponies in need of care and attention. They recognise the expense of keeping a companion and offer some help with some costs.

They are also appealing for short term foster homes for horses and ponies whose borrowers can no longer afford to keep them, and would like offers of short term places whilst new adopters/loaners can be found.

Would this work for you. They have a facebook page and web, or I can pm you the details.
 
My horse was stabled at a local livery yard with lots of horsey friends for 3 years. I then had the opportunity to have my own field and stable, but he was moving on his own, which I thought would be fine, as it would have lots and lots of benefits. How wrong was I, he stood at the gate for hours and hours at a time not grazing. So I borrowed half a dozen sheep for company which worked for a bit (I think out of curiosity, but quickly wore off) then it was back to the gate day and night.

I then borrowed a friends mini shetland and the difference was instant. No more standing at the gate! He's always way down the field grazing with his new best friend and back to his normal self, just wish I had done this to start with instead of stressing my boy out.
 
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