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Field is approx an acre, no grass, flooded. Contains 2 ponies and 3 goats, the ponies are rugged but the goats aren't and there isn't any shelter/ dry land. They have a bale of haylage dropped in occasionally but the goats clamber to lie on it. Am I being over sensitive? I thought goats had to have shelter. I know they have food and water but surely all 5 of them will be miserable?
 
I don't know anything about goats but if you're concerned it may be worth contacting WHW or the RSPCA for the goats (Not sure if they'd come out as they're fairly useless) but they may come and take a look.
 
I would report - I cannot stand seeing any animal cruelty and although the owners may not know basic equine or goat care, it's still worth them getting some helpful knowledge from charities such as the RSPCA or DEFRA.
 
Turtlebay69 said:
I would report - I cannot stand seeing any animal cruelty and although the owners may not know basic equine or goat care, it's still worth them getting some helpful knowledge from charities such as the RSPCA or DEFRA.
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I know, I'm not just being soft am I? Surely animals have a right to shelter, especially in all this rain.
 
NellRosk said:
I know, I'm not just being soft am I? Surely animals have a right to shelter, especially in all this rain.
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Yes, every animal is entitled to shelter. Are you sure they're not brought in on a night or that there's definitely no shelter? Not doubting you, just wondering. :)
 
( DEFRA is not a charity .)
It depends if they have food and access to water and their body condition is ok theres little anyone can do
having a generally miserable time is not actionable .
But there's no harm in giving WHW Or the BHS a ring
 
The sad truth is - nothing may even be done about it - however you are doing good by reporting as at least then you have peace of mind that you have tried to help. I would - not to be horrible or a 'do-gooder' but just thinking about the animals and the owners getting the added benefit of some knowledge that they may not have.
 
Bam. said:
In that case, definitely contact RSPCA or any local animal warden. Hope they get sorted soon.
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I had heard not so great things about RSPCA regarding horses, do you know if they're any better with other animals? Otherwise will try google someone else. If anyone knows of any organisations in w. Yorks I could ring please pm me. :)
 
NellRosk said:
I had heard not so great things about RSPCA regarding horses, do you know if they're any better with other animals? Otherwise will try google someone else. If anyone knows of any organisations in w. Yorks I could ring please pm me. :)
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No, the RSPCA are useless unless you have a TV crew with them - Especially with horses.
I'll be honest, from what I have read and seen over the years, they seem to be focused on dogs and cats rather than livestock. They were the only 'rescue' I could think off but I can google some others for you now.

In fact, there is a horse rescue in Leeds (Hope Pastures) - it may be worth getting in touch with them and getting them to take a look.
 
When you say there is no shelter, are there trees and hedges adjacent to the field. And how deep is the flooding? Can you see no ground at all and how far does it come up their legs?
 
TGM, 3 of the boundaries of the field are sheep wire/ wall, the other one is a low hedge with wire above it, presumably to stop the goats escaping. And half the field resembles a lake, all water. The other half is wet mud, from looking as I drive past I would say it's half a foot deep? Basically there's nowhere dry for them to stand apart from the haylage they have to eat. The goats are always stood on it to get out the mud with the poor ponies picking around them to get food!
 
Unfortunately goats do require an appropriate building to provide shelter, trees, hedges etc do not count. The other thing may be to report it to the local reading standards (this is where all animal movements need to be reported to so they will have details of owners on file etc), and they may be able to help as to who you should contact regarding the goats welfare.
 
NellRosk said:
Lol awful idea sending me that link when I'm sat at my desk supposed to be working! On the horses for rehoming page and have seen 2 gorgeous donks called Peanut and Mr Jingles :D
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I have spent so much time on their facebook page today, I have fallen for Alfie and May. :D
 
debsandpets said:
Unfortunately goats do require an appropriate building to provide shelter, trees, hedges etc do not count. The other thing may be to report it to the local reading standards (this is where all animal movements need to be reported to so they will have details of owners on file etc), and they may be able to help as to who you should contact regarding the goats welfare.
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I thought so, I once knew someone with a goat and she had a little shed to go in when the weather was bad. Okay thanks, will check it out.
 
I reported a neighbour up the hill who kept a goat tethered with only a "house" made out of pallets (no straw inside, goat couldn't even stand up in it, and that's when it could actually reach it as it was often tethered too far away). It often couldn't reach its water, and had no extra hay etc during winter. Unrugged in a fairly exposed location. Poor thing was just pathetic.

My dad ended up being the DEFRA vet sent round (I rang RSPCA and DEFRA, RSPCA also rang DEFRA), took its temperature (low) and gave them some stern advice on welfare. He told them to get it a decent shelter and to feed it (they apparently thought some vegetable peelings would keep it going) or he'd be pursuing the matter.

A better shelter did appear, but I think the cost fortunately went to goat heaven fairly soon after.

The point of that...I'd phone DEFRA, for the goats at least.
 
hnmisty said:
I reported a neighbour up the hill who kept a goat tethered with only a "house" made out of pallets (no straw inside, goat couldn't even stand up in it, and that's when it could actually reach it as it was often tethered too far away). It often couldn't reach its water, and had no extra hay etc during winter. Unrugged in a fairly exposed location. Poor thing was just pathetic.

My dad ended up being the DEFRA vet sent round (I rang RSPCA and DEFRA, RSPCA also rang DEFRA), took its temperature (low) and gave them some stern advice on welfare. He told them to get it a decent shelter and to feed it (they apparently thought some vegetable peelings would keep it going) or he'd be pursuing the matter.

A better shelter did appear, but I think the cost fortunately went to goat heaven fairly soon after.

The point of that...I'd phone DEFRA, for the goats at least.
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Okay, as long as DEFRA won't immediately take it away for slaughter or something!
 
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