Issues with horse bought from sales livery

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You are not entitled to a refund because you have changed your mind in the first week because the horse bucked twice when you rode it in a field. Either you are not describing the full extent of this problem or you are very naive and not an experienced rider. Did you have someone experienced help you view the horse in the first place? Do you have someone experienced to help you now? To see you ride in a suitable safe environment and give you some advice and also ride and assesss the horse themselves?
 
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I know new horses are very unsettling and it's very difficult when you've had this image in your head of how it's all going to go perfectly and then it doesn't. That doesn't mean the horse needs to go back though. I've had my new boy 5 months now. He's a darling but he's 6 and green and has put in a couple of bucks in the school going into canter. There's no malice in him, he's just unbalanced and working out where to put his feet, it's never more than one at a time and it's only in our school at home, he's fine in a bigger school where he doesn't have to turn so tightly. The first time it happened I was devastated. Having gone from 24 year old horses I've ridden for the last 15 years and know inside out and who wouldn't know how to buck, I didn't know how to deal with it. For a second or two I wanted to get off him, send him back and go back to my trusted old boys, except one has had to retire and the other is working hard enough for an old man already so I couldn't. I knew deep down he was a lovely boy though and this was a temporary thing.

Everything had been checked when I first had him and my old boy's saddle was adjusted to fit him. I had his saddle checked again incase he'd changed shape in the 2 months I'd had him as he was now doing very different work. All was good. The next step was to enlist the help of a friend who is an excellent rider and, although she doesn't do a huge amount of teaching, a qualified trainer. She rode him a few times and since then we alternate between her riding and teaching me. After the first time he bucked asking him to canter was terrifying, but watching her do it helped and I then forced myself to do it. The first thing she did was sort out my position (well, it's a work in progress!) so if he did buck I could sit them far more easily. We did have one or two more bucks but 3 months on, I can't believe I ever thought of sending him back, even if it was just for that second. He hasn't bucked for weeks and his flat work is coming on in leaps and bounds - especially when my friend rides him. I'm not a bad rider but I know she's 100 times the rider I will ever be and I want him to have the best start so we can have a great future so I'm more than happy to accept help.

I know it feels like the end of the world at the moment but it's just a blip, I'm sure. I'd get everything checked professionally and enlist the help of a pro / very experienced friend before thinking about sending her back. Good luck with it.
 
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Two bucks is not much in the grand scheme of things. If the two bucks were indeed two rodeo sessions then that is something different.

If you are intent on pursuing this then you will need to speak to an equine solicitor but the fact that others that have previously ridden the horse did not have this 'problem' will not help you case.
 
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wren123 said:
Well spotted @Lindylouanne! I think OP is taking us for mugs if this is correct I think it's pathetic, people have taken time to give advice, some more sympathetic than others!
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I may be totally wrong but the way the initial question was asked made me suspicious as it is void of all detail and answers are short and to the point yet OP’s other posts come across as from a very experienced person.
 
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wren123 said:
Well spotted @Lindylouanne! I think OP is taking us for mugs if this is correct I think it's pathetic, people have taken time to give advice, some more sympathetic than others!
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True, but even if OP's question wasn't genuine, someone who is actually in this position in future might pick the thread up in a search and read the responses so I'd like to think the time I put in to drafting it hasn't been a complete waste. :)
 
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I dont think you have given the horse much of a chance. Horses buck all the time for a lot of different reasons.
I hardly think 'horse bucked twice" is a reason to return it.
 
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Lindylouanne said:
This post doesn’t make sense to me. OP doesn’t appear to be a naive buyer and is used to selling horses. If she has sold one which is now bucking and the buyer wants a refund it would fit more with her previous posts.
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you are correct. I am indeed used to selling horses myself but this isn’t something I have come across before. A good friend of mine who has a very basic phone, no laptop and no desire be on forums/Facebook, has posted this on here (sort of, I’ve been relaying some basic text messages) for opinions as she is in this situation and I don’t know the answer from a legal viewpoint. I have never sold a horse on sales livery so I’ve absolutely no idea of the ins and outs. Personally feel the horse needs more time and I’ve offered my opinion in that sense but this was not really what the post was about. I just knew that there were some very knowledgeable people on here and it was worth putting the question out there. It’s been answered so I’ll leave it there as the vultures seem to have come out!
 
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Roxylola said:
Buyer is overreacting ridiculously if the horse bucked twice. But, if its been there a week or two and you're getting this already if I had sold it via sales livery or not, I'd refund them and take the horse back. Not because they're right in any way but I wouldn't want to leave my horse with them
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very good point made
 
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Roxylola said:
Buyer is overreacting ridiculously if the horse bucked twice. But, if its been there a week or two and you're getting this already if I had sold it via sales livery or not, I'd refund them and take the horse back. Not because they're right in any way but I wouldn't want to leave my horse with them
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Not always possible if you sold because you need the money, changed work hours, lost grazing, bought another horse.......
 
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A friend of mine does a tiny bit of buying and selling. Not a dealer, just an occasional thing. When she sells a horse she puts the cash away and doesn't do anything with it for a month. If there's a problem (doesn't offer a warranty, but just more of a gesture if goodwill) she takes the horse back and returns the money. Just makes for an easier life, and then hopefully the horse will then find a more suitable home. As others have said, returning a horse after a week and two bucks is rediculous, but I'd just take the horse back. Poor horse doesn't stand a chance with this person so I'd find it a more suitable home and make a note not to deal with this person again.
 
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Muddywellies - just a wee comment from personal experience, anyone selling in the course of a business is now classed as a business seller, so if your friend makes a living (or rather gets an income) from horses she is a business seller. Therefore any remedy wouldn’t be a gesture of goodwill, it would be a legal requirement. Don’t get caught out like my friend did.
 
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Muddywellies said:
A friend of mine does a tiny bit of buying and selling. Not a dealer, just an occasional thing. When she sells a horse she puts the cash away and doesn't do anything with it for a month. If there's a problem (doesn't offer a warranty, but just more of a gesture if goodwill) she takes the horse back and returns the money. Just makes for an easier life, and then hopefully the horse will then find a more suitable home. As others have said, returning a horse after a week and two bucks is rediculous, but I'd just take the horse back. Poor horse doesn't stand a chance with this person so I'd find it a more suitable home and make a note not to deal with this person again.
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Fair play to your friend! Alot can happen in a month that wouldnt be down to the horse though! If they were mistreated or handled badly it can quickly undo good training and behavioural issues can set in that were not the horses fault :(

I've only every bought 2 horses in my life (currently on number 2) Number 1 was from a riding school so a bit different cause I had ridden the horse for years! But number 2 was a private sale - she was a lady who bought a few to break and sell on but she gave me a weeks grace, if things really didnt work out she would have taken him back - you couldnt buy him off me now for all the money in the world, he is a gem! Not to say we havent had our ups and downs, but if she had of let it go a month... I might have had a rethink - we had an issue mounting and my inexperience made it worse. Only for my YO at the time I might have made a hasty decision to give him back or demand that refund!!

Sometimes there are issues the new owner or new surroundings can be responsible for - through no fault of horse or rider really, just circumstances I guess!
 
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MissDean said:
you are correct. I am indeed used to selling horses myself but this isn’t something I have come across before. A good friend of mine who has a very basic phone, no laptop and no desire be on forums/Facebook, has posted this on here (sort of, I’ve been relaying some basic text messages) for opinions as she is in this situation and I don’t know the answer from a legal viewpoint. I have never sold a horse on sales livery so I’ve absolutely no idea of the ins and outs. Personally feel the horse needs more time and I’ve offered my opinion in that sense but this was not really what the post was about. I just knew that there were some very knowledgeable people on here and it was worth putting the question out there. It’s been answered so I’ll leave it there as the vultures seem to have come out!
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It makes sense now. No vultures, just be honest.
 
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I mean, my horse will throw a (gentle) buck if I am too stiff in the saddle when we start cantering as a reminder to get it together ? he's sensitive, a good riding instructor, and sometimes I am cold and stiff...which is uncomfortable for him. So it can be the person's riding, the situation he was put in, the saddle, or a change in feed, and so on. So I would take a hard look at the situation.

In my case, I would consult with my riding instructor or video myself riding to see if I can see something.

I'm not sure that this is grounds for returning a horse.
 
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Equi said:
Why not just say how it is in the original post ? I dislike sneaky posts. It makes it harder to trust someone’s word.
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Precisely.
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Someone I know bought horse and xyz happened and now wants xyz outcome.
Not sure what benefit this had posing as a novicey buyer. You would have got honest replies either way.
 
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The Bouncing Bog Trotter said:
Muddywellies - just a wee comment from personal experience, anyone selling in the course of a business is now classed as a business seller, so if your friend makes a living (or rather gets an income) from horses she is a business seller. Therefore any remedy wouldn’t be a gesture of goodwill, it would be a legal requirement. Don’t get caught out like my friend did.
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As mentioned in post, it's once every blue moon (though she did more in the 70s and 80s). Now lives in France. The horses are a hobby.
 
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