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Greenpickled

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We have a lovely horse - 7yrs old he’s a really great guy to have around. He’s easy, level headed, on the face of it doesn’t get het up at events, all his phases are coming along nicely schooling, jumping etc no issues at all.

But… he has an odd ‘thing’. which seems to be getting more consistent. When going into an arena at an event, or if he is asked to move off after standing at training or in collecting ring he will kick out. Sometimes quite violently he kicks up and under his stomach and starts backing into other horses (not to kick them) he does it with both legs doesn't favour one or the other. He can also do it out hacking but only if asked to leave his buddy and more recently when he was asked to hack alone rider had to get off and lead him part of the way then he was fine rest of hack. So we are minded to think it’s a strop/napping or lack of confidence (hidden under his calm demeanour) The more you ask him to go forward, the more he goes backwards. The solution has been to get someone to walk beside him. But obviously we want to eliminate this.

This horse has had everything checked, saddle x3 per year, teeth every six months, vet physio for his back every 4 weeks, lameness work ups, willy washed, X-rays, he is fine in all regards. He is not girthy, loves his food and is at peak fitness.

When actually jumping he has no performance issues, never refuses, in his flatwork he is agreeable, albeit still young and a bit green.

Has anyone experienced this before, i mean we deal with it as best we can, but it can be alarming at events...
 

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Another person saying scope for ulcers - Baggs my 20 year old ate like a piglet, didn't show any of the classic ulcer symptoms and the only hunch I had to go on was that he occasionally kicked out whenever I asked him to move off from standing still, and on the odd chance if another horse were behind him, he'd reverse back into them but not kick out or anything x
 

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another vote for scoping for ulcers! my horse was exactly the same! he live a low stress life, living out, with plenty of forage but still managed to get grade 4 ulcers. his only symptom was napping and the more I asked him to go forward he would escalate for kicking out, then eventually rearing! so please don't do what I did, and be convinced by "professionals" that he's just young and testing boundaries! I wish I'd have scoped way sooner than I did
 

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Ok thank you - I guess I have bee resisting testing because of the invasive nature of scoping however - given everything else has been checked it seems the next natural step. And ditto had lots of 'professionals' tell us he's just being naughty/trying it on.
 

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Ok thank you - I guess I have bee resisting testing because of the invasive nature of scoping however - given everything else has been checked it seems the next natural step. And ditto had lots of 'professionals' tell us he's just being naughty/trying it on.
Have a chat with your vet about options. If your not a fan of the invasive nature of scoping, they may suggest a drug trial to see if you notice improvements. You can't see hindgut ulcers on a scope anyway so it's like a course of something would be suggested in case of this.
 

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Ok thank you - I guess I have bee resisting testing because of the invasive nature of scoping however - given everything else has been checked it seems the next natural step. And ditto had lots of 'professionals' tell us he's just being naughty/trying it on.
I’ve had a couple scoped, both were pretty food orientated but coped surprisingly well. Ideally if you can starve overnight and get the vets to come to you first thing the next morning - less stressful than daytime starvation or having to travel them on an empty stomach.
It’s not my favourite thing to do but it’s worth it, and I’ve found they cope better than we expect them to.
 

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Have a chat with your vet about options. If your not a fan of the invasive nature of scoping, they may suggest a drug trial to see if you notice improvements. You can't see hindgut ulcers on a scope anyway so it's like a course of something would be suggested in case of this.
Like you I didn’t want to test for ulcers due to the invasive nature of it, so did a Bute test - the horse got noticeably worse very quickly, and yes, it was hindgut ulcers!!!!
 

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I’ve had a couple scoped, both were pretty food orientated but coped surprisingly well. Ideally if you can starve overnight and get the vets to come to you first thing the next morning - less stressful than daytime starvation or having to travel them on an empty stomach.
It’s not my favourite thing to do but it’s worth it, and I’ve found they cope better than we expect them to.
This, I had a horse scoped who I though would not cope well with being starved. We did it over night and scoped, at home, first thing the next morning and he was singularly unbothered by it

Just very keen for breakfast once the sedative wore off.
 
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