JEZA
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Does any1 have any experience of this type of farriery for an extensor carpi radialis damage. That's something like a pulled knee.
I'd really appreciate feedback.
Thanks
I'd really appreciate feedback.
Thanks
Ive been advised - put front shoes on "back-to-front!!"
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ILuvCowparsely
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the only time i was told that is for the donkey to support her foot and such
we couldn't do it as her frogs got in the way so had to put shoes on normally
we couldn't do it as her frogs got in the way so had to put shoes on normally
bran mash
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Nope, never heard of that!
Egg-bar or heart bar shoe instead perhaps?
Egg-bar or heart bar shoe instead perhaps?
classicalfan
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Apparently also called a Napolean shoe as he ordered his troops to all have their horses shod like that to confuse the English - or so I'm told.
Personally I am a barefoot fan and would not have him shod remedially or at all.
Personally I am a barefoot fan and would not have him shod remedially or at all.
coffeeandabagel
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My horse has shoes with 2 side clips on all 4 feet not just the back ones to give more support and keep them on better. Is that back to front?
cptrayes
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This way of shoeing is not uncommon, easier than heart bar shoes and leaves the toe free to breakover early. It's quite common for lamis to be done this way, I think, to relieve toe pressure and support the frog. There are other threads on this forum about it.
lazybee
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Surly you do what's best for the horse??? I really can't understand an attitude
like this?
Fan-Fanatic A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause. adj. Fanatical.
Noodlebug
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Yes a pony at yard had this done when he had laminitis. It was supposed to support the heels.
classicalfan
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In our experience barefoot proves to be best for the horse. There are always exceptions - we just haven't found one yet. And there really is no need to be rude, it usually is the mark of someone who is either ignorant or ill-educated and I am sure that you view yourself as neither of those.
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cptrayes
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What dictionary did you use? Mine said:
Nothing about fanatic. Nothing about extreme. Nothing about unreasoning. OK that may have been the root of the word but it is no longer its common meaning.
I am also a barefoot fan. For your information, there is NOT ONE SHRED of scientifically valid evidence that shoeing of any kind is the best treatment for a laminitic. There is some evidence that it offers short term pain relief, which can be achieved in other ways than nailing steel to a hurting hoof.
We ARE in favour of doing what is best for the horse.
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Oberon
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I can understand your alarm but I don't believe classicalfan meant it that way
I will try to explain....
Have you ever noticed that the answer to any hoof/joint/tendon/ligament problem is always heart bar or egg bar shoes? In this occasion reverse shoes - same principle with attempt at increased ease of breakover for the joint.
It is always an attempt to support the back of the foot.
In shoes the back of the foot is taken out of action and often begins to atrophy. This means it's too weak to actively play it's part of energy absorption. The horse starts to walk, toe first for comfort and eventually you get a hoof/joint/tendon/ligament problem because the energy of every footstep is being blasted up the front of the hoof and bones, rather than absorbed as it was designed to do by the frog, heels and digital cushion. (I do know horses that still land heel first in shoes - but not many).
Support for the back of the hoof often provides short term relief, but it doesn't solve the problem. Eventually it stops working and then wedges are introduced...and so on...until there's no where else to go.
Barefooters thoughts on this is to remove the shoes and provide conditions where the horse can DEVELOP the back of the hoof again and bring it back into action. Then it can strengthen and start doing it's job again. A shorter toe, which is part of the barefoot deal, will increase breakover naturally.
Regarding laminits (which the OP's horse isn't suffering from) the shoes are supposed to 'support' P3. However the horse is loading on the walls alone - that's not natural for the horse and it is hanging from that sensitive laminae.
Barefooters thoughts are that allowing the horse to use the whole weight bearing mechanisms (frog, heels, digital cushion, toe sole and wall) and allowing the horse to stand on comfortable surfaces will support P3 from the ground. Also easing the wall to allow for a more natural breakover will relieve the pressure on the laminae, rather than the horse hanging from it.
OP - I apologise for hijacking your thread, but the barefooters who post on here take a lot of time and effort on here to try and help horse owners who have no where else to turn. I wanted to explain classicalfan's (and other barefooter's) feelings on locomotive pathologies in the horse, rather than it looking like we're fanatical. There is a reason we believe in barefoot - it works.
Thank you for your time.
JEZA
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Oberon, that's no problem at all, I appreciate the info.
Infact the pony has also had laminitis every year Ive had her. Anyway, the shoes came off today and I asked farrier to leave all underneath alone, and he just tidied up with a gentle rasp. Her toes are quite long so I thought after giving her a week or two they need to be trimmed as -as I originally said in my thread- she is catching her toe on the leg with the bad knee.
Well I must say she danced up to the field like a 2 year old after shoes off!
Infact the pony has also had laminitis every year Ive had her. Anyway, the shoes came off today and I asked farrier to leave all underneath alone, and he just tidied up with a gentle rasp. Her toes are quite long so I thought after giving her a week or two they need to be trimmed as -as I originally said in my thread- she is catching her toe on the leg with the bad knee.
Well I must say she danced up to the field like a 2 year old after shoes off!
LMR
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Ive also heard of using this for lami.
I have to say though barefoot is not ALWAYS the answer. I tried barefoot with my guy recovering for lami and it was the worst things I did. Heartbars were the only thing that worked and I have tried everything.
I think we all need to be openminded when it comes to our horses and do what is best for them.
I have to say though barefoot is not ALWAYS the answer. I tried barefoot with my guy recovering for lami and it was the worst things I did. Heartbars were the only thing that worked and I have tried everything.
I think we all need to be openminded when it comes to our horses and do what is best for them.
Oberon
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I absolutely agree with you.
Some horses just cannot be comfortable barefoot (ime it's often that there is something still not right in the diet or management, mineral balance for example) and these are the wonderful horses that we learn the most from.
If a horse isn't pasture comfortable barefoot, despite everyone's best efforts, then shoes have to be the answer. No horse should be in pain in the pursuit of an ideal.
What irks me is when shoes are the only answer to everything and when they don't help - the horse ends up PTS
Oberon
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Walking over as many surfaces as possible (such as pea gravel/road surface) will help to shorten the toes naturally (obviously with vet's agreement and within the horse's comfort).
They may chip and look dreadful for now - as long as she's sound, just don't look at them
She's just chipping off what she doesn't want.A mustang roll on the wall will ease breakover for her.
You'll need to have a look at how to prevent lami with her - but you'll be pleased to know that without the shoes, she'll be able to tell you waaay before it becomes an acute attack
tsmith22
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my horse has these as his sole is very closs to the floor due to laminitus they seem to be wor
king very well he was barefoot up until the summer but so sore as the ground was so hard we decided to try this anything which makes him more comfortable can't be all bad!
king very well he was barefoot up until the summer but so sore as the ground was so hard we decided to try this anything which makes him more comfortable can't be all bad!