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I havnt had a walk out of the coloured in weeks. I am now building up to teamchasing and hunting, but due to shite weather I havnt been turning out so much, just lunging and then hacking out- but my boy really will not walk.
Went on a hack with my mum today which is a rarity0 she usually only rides youngsters and troubles but I didnt have time to get all of the hunters out today and she offered to help. Now she describes my as having an active bottom- I do it with all of the horses, rile them up- I did it with her mare- but not on the same level as this. I argued with her for a while before we swapped horses and she managed to calm my horse down to a certain degree, though she couldnt crack a walk out of him. Now he is fighting fit, and my mum is a very experienced horse woman, but I was racking your brains to see if you have any ideas to calm him. Usually I hack alone as he has less to race against that way.
 
When you find out let me know. Although Corroy does it very rarely now, it used ti be her worst habit. I can recommend though, not to try out the method of turning them away from home until they settle as I tried this once and when I turned round again, I was totally out of control
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Its just so frustrating, Bertha did it, but not as bad as this, some days I feel im riding a Hackney hoss! I dont mind until his head starts to go in the way home and I find him almost leap if I gather him too much, I try to trick him by going home via backroads, but he gets wise to it
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the only thing i find that helps with my jogger is that when he jogs to try and turn it into a really slow trot, so he has to really work hard to do it, try and feel every beat of it, till he isalmost montionless, mine usually eventually gives up and walks, but the times he doesnt at least he is working hard
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My cob was so so bad at jogging when i first got her she was like Oshka and just would not walk at all (you wouldn't think it looking at her). She'd hunted all her life and i know for a fact her owner never walked her and galloped every where. Don't worry im not saying you do this at all.
Anyway the way i got her to stop it was to make her halt and if neccessary rein back. Every time she jogged she would be halted then rein backed. She soon got the mesage. It takes time but it didn't take too long. Also if you have a big space turning them from the direction that you are going in is another good one, so you go in the opposite dirsection every time they jog. It works with dogs that pull on a lead as well, lol.

Hope this helps
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I was always told to collect it into a Piaffe & they will find it such hard work the stop. Not true, D just Piaffes home
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What does work is every time he jogs I make him square halt & count out loud til 10, pat him & ask for walk on. If he moves more than 1 leg I start at 1 again & same if he moves off between 10 & "walk on"

Only thing is Damn horse has learned to count now!
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Oooo no I would never halt him and rein back on the roads, I fear if I stopped him going forwards altogether he would just go up, and my god that horse has clearance in the air. I like madhectors Idea of making him trot very slowly, this could work!
 
Harry jogs everywhere, being a hunter like yours rosiie, he is used to going fast..everywhere! we havent cracked it 100% yet, he still jogs on the way home and at home when im schooling him, but i do what madhector does, slow him right down so he is practically jogging on the spot, he then realises he isnt going anywhere very fast, and walking would be alot quicker, so he gives up and walks (with a few breaks into a jog again, but we are working on it!).
 
Never had it not work.... Start on foot your wanting a nice free walk, not leaning, rushing, or falling behind, if they rush, lean, jog, turn and start again. When you have got the inhand walk. Mount. Again wanting a nice free loose walk. Every time he is naughty, turn or dis mount he'll soon get the picture! I know this sounds really basic but to be honest a walk is, and every thing comes off the walk, some thing you need to have. Most importantly will give him some mannors and get him listening!
 
I've ridden two 'joggers', one a 16.2hh hunter who did it constantly, would nap away from home, mixed with jogging, and would jog incessintly all the way home. But he was used to NEVER walking. The other was a pony, I rode him out about three times. He was fine alone, but in company would jog. I found him much harder work! It was more of a 'niggly jog than anything and not knowing the pony that well I was a bit wary of what he'd do. Anyway, I finally realised
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if I sat up enough to feel 'behind' the vertical, he'd slow right down. Really pushed my bum down and eased off the 'hold' too. Just using your seat (weight) without pushing them on can help heaps. Almost like a sack of spuds to get your weight right down, they seem to dislike jogging then
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. Again, it's position position position.
I think the problem comes when they jog, you 'hold' and without realising lean fowards slightly which irritates things. I would never stop, rein back or turn, as it winds them up, but the slow trot sounds a good idea.
Maybe get Bekka to ride out with you (or your mum again) and check your position.
 
My horse is also a jogger, she will nap on the way out and jog thereafter. I agree position is important and I'm still trying to get the knack of it! I've tried sitting deep and holding onto her neckstrap to work a bit but giving up all contact can be a bit scary on the roads. I do find with too much contact she gets over excited and starts cantering on the spot, I also find she can be worse in company but that does depend on the company too. If I tried to rein back she would almost certainly go up too so I have tried turns in the road usually slow her up a bit but lateral work is good, try leg yielding or shoulder in to decrease some of the forward energy.
 
This afternoon I have just read an excellent piece in a book about problems with the trot including jogging and was just about to re-write it for you and realised ive left it at work. Damn damn damn.

I will try to remember what it said as a lot of the tips were also what I did with my jogger:

Try not to collect them up using your reins, relax your shoulders which in turn relaxes your arm and hands which allows a more elastic contact, deepen your seat and ride mainly from your seat not reins. Try shoulder in and haunches in as well as leg yeilds as this will require them to use themselves more and they will soon get fed up of jogging.

Although it is really annoying try not to tense and use your reins as this will just agrevate the situation and make them jog more.

IMHO I would not ask for a halt or rein back as if they are eager to get going this will make things worse.

Hope this helps.

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My cob was so so bad at jogging when i first got her she was like Oshka and just would not walk at all (you wouldn't think it looking at her). She'd hunted all her life and i know for a fact her owner never walked her and galloped every where. Don't worry im not saying you do this at all.
Anyway the way i got her to stop it was to make her halt and if neccessary rein back. Every time she jogged she would be halted then rein backed. She soon got the mesage. It takes time but it didn't take too long. Also if you have a big space turning them from the direction that you are going in is another good one, so you go in the opposite dirsection every time they jog. It works with dogs that pull on a lead as well, lol.

Hope this helps
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That also worked on my mental welsh, he rarely jogs now. halt and wait and when they truly halt and you can drop the contact and they remain there, let them go forwards. they soon learn.
 
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That also worked on my mental welsh, he rarely jogs now. halt and wait and when they truly halt and you can drop the contact and they remain there, let them go forwards. they soon learn.

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Thank You! At least someone else knows it works. I actually got the technique from Dr Andrew McClean, who is a top behaviourist expert and did a demo at the global dressage conference. It's also brilliant for schooling if you have a horse who leans and rushes.

So if you halt the horse and it walks on without you giving the aid you rein back. If the horse goes faster than you aked it to, you rein back.

He came and did some demos with student horses at college it was amazing. He starts on the ground. He said everyone thinks its so sweet that their horse follows them, but actually its wrong. Your horse should only walk on when told (contact on the lead rope) if the horse walks on without this contact you make the horse walk backwards by tapping the front legs. Once you can 'park' (being able to walk away from the horse without it moving) the horse you're there. Honestly it was so cool.

One of my friends had this mare who just would not load, on a good day it would take 3 hours. After Andrew did this ground work the horse first heistated to get on the box, but then went straight on. Since then she loads first time with no heistation! How amazing is that.

Also another girl had a SJer who jogged everywhere and if it did not get its own way went straight up. Andrew first did some ground work and then spent about half an hour riding her. By the end of the session this mare was calmly walking, troting and cantering- in an outline!!!! Andrew even let go of the reins and she remained in the same rhythm. Amy spoke after and she was gob smacked, she said she'd never got her in an outline and never seen her so calm. Andrew then got Amy to ride and again she was brilliant. This mare has gone form strength to strength since.

Anyway, sorry to go on so long, i know not everyone would agree with this, its just my opinion, and no it should not be used on the roads. But it does work.
 
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