Junior & YR teams for European Champs

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From BSJA website:
The Tretorn Junior and Young Rider Teams who will represent Great Britain in the 2009 European Show Jumping Championships to be held in Hoofddorp, Netherlands from the 1st – 5th July 2009 have been selected.

JUNIORS

Sixteen year old Alison Barton, a member of the 2009 Tretorn Junior International Squad, from Bradford, West Yorkshire will partner Mr Simon Paul’s fourteen year old bay gelding Saffier van de Brandkreek.

Seventeen year old Jessie Drea, a member of the 2009 Tretorn Junior International Squad, from Horsham, West Sussex riding Mr Shane Breen’s nine year old chestnut gelding Milord d’Elle.

Fourteen year old Graham Gillespie, a member of the 2009 Tretorn Junior International Squad from Alexandria, Dunbartonshire will ride his mother Beth’s eight year old bay stallion USA Today.

Sixteen year old Carian Scudamore, a member of the 2009 Tretorn Junior International Squad, from Cardigan, Dyfed will ride Mrs Hancock’s nine year old bay mare Angel III.

Sixteen year old George Whitaker, a member of the 2009 Tretorn Junior International Squad, based with Michael Whitaker in Whatton, Nottinghamshire will ride his Uncle Michael’s eleven year old chestnut gelding Carnaval Path

YOUNG RIDERS

Nineteen year old Joe Clayton, a member of the 2009 Tretorn Young Rider International Squad also based with Michael Whitaker in Whatton, Nottinghamshire will ride his own ten year old bay gelding Saveur.

Twenty year old Jemma Kirk, a member of the 2009 Tretorn Young Rider International Squad from Bo’ness, West Lothian will ride her father Roberts’s thirteen year old bay gelding Wexford.

Twenty one year old Tim Page a member of the 2009 Tretorn Young Rider International Squad from Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, will partner Mr Sturman’s eleven year old chestnut gelding Quentin Tarantino.

Eighteen year old Matthew Sampson a member of the 2009 Tretorn Young Rider Squad from Sheffield, South Yorkshire will ride Mr Duncan Inglis’ eleven year old bay gelding Chianti Classico.

Nineteen year old William Whitaker a member of the 2009 Tretorn Young Rider International Squad also based with Michael Whitaker in Whatton, Nottinghamshire will ride his Uncle Michaels Clark 12.
 
It isn't clear to me. As usual there is no transparancy or clarity as to how these teams are selected.
As far as I am aware Will had just one placing at the 4 day trials with Clark. (9th) I am not aware that he has even jumped at a YR CSIO (further trial) either this year.
Please don't get me wrong, Will Whit is fantastic. BUT why bother having a selection Policy.
 
I've just looked on the BSJA website and seen that there are not a lot of qualifying events in which they were able to gain their FEI qualification. Don't know if this also applied last year.
 
I should think that Dan's junior form automatically qualified him and Will has been jumping prettty good on the continent and shouldnt that Australian outing have qualified all the riders? Surely any long listed riders would have been directed at the qualifying events as they do with the eventers. its all part of the BEF system isnt it?
However I do agree with Freshman about clarity. Everyone would be much happier if things were clear and not just with show jumping either.
But i do think Will Whitaker could probably get a clear round out of a beach donkey......
 
I agree with all of what you say Lucretia. However selection Policy states that you must perform well at the trials then when selected for CSIO's you take the horse you are putting forward for the Championships in the biggest class of the day over the duration of the show. This is not happening. Many of the riders selected from both groups did well at the trials yet are selected on different horses for the championships. I feel it is only right to point out in particular that only Joe Claayton was consistent on the same horse throughout. Nicole Pavitt was also showing true consistency throughout. I know most of these riders & really do not have a gripe with any of them. I really wish all of them the best at the championships. BUT what I do want as a fee paying member is clarity throughout all teams, right to the very top end. It just does not happen. Which is why so many of us drop out from the system.
 
i completely agree with u freshman...I think its a shame Nicole hasnt been selected and I think Dans horse wasnt right in Hagen. i watched the YR jump the nations cup in wierden which was Joe, Matt, Tim and Sam hutton and they all jumped super, finishing on only 4 faults with the dutch winning on 0.
However I think it will never be equal all the way through. just look at the team for rotterdam...
 
The whole thing is so unfair Nicole jumped fantastic at the trials along with lots of others so whats the point in having trials.Will didnt have a good trial show but is picked im not knocking Will as he is fantastic but is really is not fair when others jumped well and didnt get picked ,alot of time effort and money is wasted .
 
Just an observation but.

everytime there is a post about team selections there are people upset at the selection choices and can't understand the rationale. Can you not challenge or voice your thoughts to the BSJA to try and make the process more transparent.

I do agree its quite amazing the average age of our older teams and as has been said where are the teams of the future if no-one gets a fair crack of the whip.

Surely its in the BSJA long term survival interests to attract more top riders into the teams for owners if nothing else, why would you fund a horse if you never have a chance of being team selected unless you place it with a whitaker ??
 
I believe it is fair to say that some of the above have directed their comments at the BSJA directly already. Much as i admire Will i do agree it seems unfair but I am no expert on YR selections and the trials for that in showjumping. In eventing it seems to be much clearer. I think maybe it would be good if the senior team failed to qualify for a major championship as has happened to the French who had tyo really take a good look at their selection processes and look at them in the last year. they sent three GIRLS (heaven forbid) to their crucial nations cup match in zagreb which they needed to win to get back in the super league, a descision that was repaid this weekend when Penelope leprevost won them the Rotterdam Nations Cup, changed their Chef, and now have among their team regulars, several younger riders e.g. Kevin Staut (30), Penelope (same). But it took an Olympic games without competing to make them sort it out.
 
What you say is very true Lucretia. Many people feel that Derek R should have been replaced after Bejing. No other sport would keep accepting these failures. This is not the first year though that a rider has not had a good trials, nor competed at an 'O' on a team yet still goes on to ride at Championships. It is a case of Put up or Shut up. Or as many do, Pull Out & use the time & money that would have been spent on other things.
 
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