Just a follow up.....

MizElz

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i have actually been a little afraid to post on here since the heated discussion on Saturday (ie. 'my horse looks like an rspca case' thread). i suppose i could have posted this at the end of that thread, or indeed, the 'Reprimanding' thread, but I didnt think it would be seen as much.

i just want to say thank you to all those people who DIDNT jump down my throat, and who, whether they agreed or disagreed with my actions, at least understood and sympathised. i would like to stress that it was not my intention to get sympathy from anyone - it was more of a general letting-off-steam session, as i was so upset i had had such a fall out with my girlie. i hadnt, in fact, expected many replies, if any, so the barrage of negativity surprised me.

i thought i had made it quite clear in the OP that i had tried everything that has, in past similar occasions, done the trick, but this time to no avail. This included, as suggested, turning her in small circles (although i would not want to try to get her to reverse anywhere, because a) running backwards is a habit we managed to stop when she was a 5 yr old, and b) reversing up a road is not ideal, in my opinion!) There also seemed to be some confusion regarding the actual situation - some of you seemed to think it was a stream i was trying to get her to cross; in fact, it was just a normal road where, in the past, the river has risen to road level. (she has gone through just fine when there has been water there in the past, as well as when it is dry.) Someone also mentioned that my horse sounds like a 'genuine, honest mare' - and i would agree with that, but even an honest horse can sometimes take the P, and she has been known to do this many times! its what makes riding her such fun, in my opinion - i had better make it clear that i DO NOT hit her everytime she plays up - the fact that i do not carry a whip/wear spurs should make this clear. i think, by now, i know her well enough to know when she is truly upset or frightened, and i would, of course, always empathise with this, and use the softly-softly approach as suggested. but i must say, i am in favour of discipline where deserved, and if an animal - any animal (or child!) - is trying to play you up, it must be put in its place, or else you run the risk of losing its respect forever.

For those of you who still have me down as a cruel horse beater, so be it. i wish you well with the 'natural' approach, but i would be interested to know how you would deal with a similar situation - and i mean for real, not just an 'if it were to happen to me' scenario. maybe you would get off and lead, or sit there until the sun goes down, squeezing and coaxing, but i'll bet that, even though your horse may not go home with a mark on its bum, it may well go with a certain degree less respect for its rider.

Anyway, i'm not gonna ramble on any more. thanks again to all you guys who read my OP in the manner i had intended. i just think i will have second thoughts about sharing any 'real life' experiences on here in the future!
 
well done *applaudes* , i agree with wat u did and altho i often use the natural approach with alot of things with my horses, my mare who ive owned for 7 years sometimes gets a well deserved crack on her arse when shes been a tit bcos i know wen its appropraite with her, dont worry about it i dont think theres many ppl on here that have honestly never given their horse a well desevred wack on its backside!
 
The big question is - have you ridden her since over the same ground, and has she behaved (and did you remember to carry a stick)?

Some times, no matter what you do, people will disagree with you. I can understand that, I am often the first to speak my mind if I read something I really disagree with.
After all, without debate, forums are a little pointless.

Don't take it to heart, there will be another BIG subject next week and this will be forgotten. If the experience and some of the feedback has helped, that is a positive.
 
Don't let it put you off.

Many members won't have read your previous posts and know about your mare or know your riding experience. You just have to remember that when you post, and put in relevant info... or people DO make assumptions (which is only natural).

Just count your lucky stars no-one found out where you live and sent the ILPH round
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I don't use the internet at the weekends, so missed your post. Honestly, you probably should have left it there - this post seems a little pointless to me?

I'm not judging you, but what you described doesn't sound nice to me or particularly good horsemanship.

I havn't read peoples replies on your other post, only the OP. Personally I would not hit a horse persistently into submission, and if you've hit it enough to mark it - that's cruel.

I'm not saying that kind of persuasion should never be used, but you "kept whacking, and whacking"... not nice.
 
What a shame you've been worried about posting
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I followed your thread with amusement on saturday - it was obvious a heated debate would ensue - similar to hunting... it's always going to open a huge can of worms!
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But please do continue to post - you seem a very level headed person and your horse is as loved as any other on here!
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The big question is - have you ridden her since over the same ground, and has she behaved (and did you remember to carry a stick)?

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yes, and yes!!!!! i took my little jumping stick (a bit dusty, lol!) and didnt even have to remind her it was there, she just went straight down the road, no fuss. so it kind of proves to me that she was being a moo; if there was something genuinely terrifying, then Ellie being Ellie would have certainly let me know!

GinGin - i think my natural liking for artistic licence got the better of me to a certain extent - i have admitted that the heading of the thread was misleading, and, having read it all abck to myself, i didnt 'beat her into submission', i was merely using the stick to back up my leg, to which she seemed completely dead. she did get some hefty whacks behind the saddle, but if i made it sound like i had really laid into her, then i apologise!
i guess could have 'left it there', and considered doing so, but having read some of the later replies to the post (and the reprimanding one) i felt i had to say something. i have also had several PMs from very supportive peeps, who i wanted to thank! there were a few issues people had brought up where i felt i needed to clarify. and i am, unfortunately, one who cant lay something to rest without it being fully resolved! my own worst enemy, me thinks....
 
MizElz, I read your OP over the weekend but the good ole internet was failing me! I don't think you did anything wrong or untoward. I agree as you say if you keep getting off a horse when it is naughty then you will get to a stage when you won't be able to get on it. I don't like yourself agree with beating any horse but if the horse is being just stubborn and not afraid then yes a good couple of smacks to back up your leg aid is justified. You keep posting hun, you haven't done anything horrendously wrong.
 
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For those of you who still have me down as a cruel horse beater, so be it. i wish you well with the 'natural' approach, but i would be interested to know how you would deal with a similar situation - and i mean for real, not just an 'if it were to happen to me' scenario. maybe you would get off and lead, or sit there until the sun goes down, squeezing and coaxing, but i'll bet that, even though your horse may not go home with a mark on its bum, it may well go with a certain degree less respect for its rider.

Anyway, i'm not gonna ramble on any more. thanks again to all you guys who read my OP in the manner i had intended. i just think i will have second thoughts about sharing any 'real life' experiences on here in the future!

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Seriously, I think you're being a bit oversensitive... I was one of those who disagreed with how you dealt with the situation. I have dealt with that situation many times and deal with it differently to you because it works for me.
Why is it ok for you lot that are willing to hit your horses to laugh and namecall..(bunny huggers etc).. but not for us to state that we don't agree with something.
My horses don't nap in general. I have one that will if he's unsure about something and I have occasionally got off him and lead him past what was worrying him. I didn't hear him laugh so I guess he still repects me!!
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Incidently, I've never really felt the need to belt my children either and both are very well, well liked children...
BTW..I don't think anyone slated you or thinks your some kind of horse thrasher..
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Why is it ok for you lot that are willing to hit your horses to laugh and namecall..(bunny huggers etc).. but not for us to state that we don't agree with something.


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just for the record, i resent the 'you lot who are willing to hit your horses' comment - im not 'willing' to hit a horse, i just believe in discipline where it is due, and if that involves being shouted at, fair play, but if it means a slap on the bum, so be it.

i have also, to my knowledge, not once laughed or namecalled anybody; the bunnyhugger comment was not mine im afraid.

hell, im not gonna carry on any more, iv said my piece, and i dont want to start off another heated debate about the same issue.
 
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Incidently, I've never really felt the need to belt my children either and both are very well, well liked children...
BTW..I don't think anyone slated you or thinks your some kind of horse thrasher..
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do you use a stick to back up what you ask of your children?
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You seem wound up..that wasn't my intention but is one of the reasons I don't like smacking..its usually done in temper.
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Actually, I didn't think it was particularly heated debate anyway..
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Incidently, I've never really felt the need to belt my children either and both are very well, well liked children...
BTW..I don't think anyone slated you or thinks your some kind of horse thrasher..
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do you use a stick to back up what you ask of your children?
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no...just a 'look'.
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and no, I don't give my nags a 'look' ...
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Incidently, I've never really felt the need to belt my children either and both are very well, well liked children...
BTW..I don't think anyone slated you or thinks your some kind of horse thrasher..
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do you use a stick to back up what you ask of your children?
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no...just a 'look'.
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and no, I don't give my nags a 'look' ...
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ahh, THAT look, feared by children up and down the country......


the look only a mother can give
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I'm one of those that were totally on your side the other day and still am, I don't mind admitting it.
I've seen far too many horses that have needed to 'be sorted out' simply because people weren't firm enough in the first place because they thought it wasn't nice to reprimand something which then escalates into more and more nappiness. Why not be firm in the first place, then the horse knows exactly where it stands in the pecking order - and that place is to obey the rider, not dictating the pace or where it will or won't go.
Glad you had no trouble the next time, just proves the point doesn't it that she was taking the Schmichael!?
 
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I am also rather amused that people are being highlighted for calling them bunny huggers; when they are more than happy to make out that we abuse our horses?
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I am also rather amused that people are being highlighted for calling them bunny huggers; when they are more than happy to make out that we abuse our horses?
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Flippin ek...er, ok
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Don't you think, it is unfair to be offended by "Bunny Huggers" and yet be calling others horse abusers? I would and I don't think it was fair to the OP either
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I didn't comment the other day but I have to agree with what you did. It is far less cruel to give them a bit of a reprimand once and really mean it than to let them get away with things then have a problem horse on your hands. I very rarely use a stick and spurs but I always carry a stick. Children, dogs and horses should all have boundaries and if they are your responsibility then its your responsibility to set the boundaries. They are all happier in the end for knowing their boundaries.
And don't worry about having lots of negative comments - that's what happens when you post a controversial subject. People love a good debate!!!
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Don't you think, it is unfair to be offended by "Bunny Huggers" and yet be calling others horse abusers? I would and I don't think it was fair to the OP either
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I wasn't offended in the least..was just pointing it out. I've never called anyone a horse abuser either!!I think you're trying to put words in my 'mouth'...
 
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Don't you think, it is unfair to be offended by "Bunny Huggers" and yet be calling others horse abusers? I would and I don't think it was fair to the OP either
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I wasn't offended in the least..was just pointing it out. I've never called anyone a horse abuser either!!I think you're trying to put words in my 'mouth'...

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No dear, I never even mentioned you saying anything nor being offended. It is you who is putting words on the page....
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Mizelz - for what its worth I agree with you entirely. horses (And people) need to know where the line is. Yes there are other methods, they have worked for me on some horses and not on others - and I had a napper that even Kelly Marks could not cure *shock horror* - so its not the be all and end all miraculous magical cure! Some horses respond to different things, end of! There is no arguing that what some horses respond to others will not.
However you do it, horses NEED boundaries - and it is your job as the rider/owner to read your horse and know it personally and knowing personally how your horse will personally react to each method.
 
well sorry everyone but I was one of the ones that DIDNT agree at all with what happened really and yep I love being called bunny hugger and naturalist etc....
I dont really think you are all horse beaters, just more that there are different approaches to how people do things. At the end of the day your horse doesnt come with a guide book.
I spose I like to see 'the naturalist' that we are in a more modern light and that we like to do things a gentler and more long lasting approach....
I also have to add that I wasnt jumping down your throat just giving my opion like everyone else so dont feel nervous about posting on here...I get moaned at all the time...
 
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Don't you think, it is unfair to be offended by "Bunny Huggers" and yet be calling others horse abusers? I would and I don't think it was fair to the OP either
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I wasn't offended in the least..was just pointing it out. I've never called anyone a horse abuser either!!I think you're trying to put words in my 'mouth'...

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No dear, I never even mentioned you saying anything nor being offended. It is you who is putting words on the page....
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Whats with the'No dear'?..
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Whatever, whatever... (where's the 'rolls eyes' smilie?>)
 
Well put Herringbone and I agree.


I will always digest a well put together reply, whether it be similar to my beliefs or not. Life would be terribly boring if everyone was uniform
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