ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Kicking is not a declarable vice and snatching/waving a leg when the farrier handles a bad scar is not a vice.
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Kicking is not a declarable vice and snatching/waving a leg when the farrier handles a bad scar is not a vice.
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AmyMay
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What exactly did they lie about?
Trouper
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I'm sorry if we're not generally addressing the point of your original thread - we all get a bit focused on welfare on here!! You sound as if you are doing a good job in helping him into a better life.
I think you might come unstuck entering into a debate with the sales livery on what the horse was actually worth - it is a funny old market just now on that score. However, I might persist with the issues where he was misrepresented ie eye infection etc and push for those costs to be refunded. A statement from your vet on what needed doing and records from your negotiations with the livery would help to make your case. However, if they persist in not answering your calls you may be unsuccessful.
The only other alternative is to leave public "unsatisfactory" reviews on the livery wherever you can - suggesting that you intend to do so might just concentrate their minds??
I think you might come unstuck entering into a debate with the sales livery on what the horse was actually worth - it is a funny old market just now on that score. However, I might persist with the issues where he was misrepresented ie eye infection etc and push for those costs to be refunded. A statement from your vet on what needed doing and records from your negotiations with the livery would help to make your case. However, if they persist in not answering your calls you may be unsuccessful.
The only other alternative is to leave public "unsatisfactory" reviews on the livery wherever you can - suggesting that you intend to do so might just concentrate their minds??
Goldenstar
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This horse needs a good vet to take a look and decide what the biggest issue is .
That is not likely to be a cosmetic scar .
Much can be done to mobilise stuck scars but it needs a good physio interested in that type of work and his case a lot of sedation .
That had the scar we you chose him out of the field there are plenty of red flags but you chose him .
You ought to have got a vet before you bought him .
I would not pay for a horse like that because I know 5k is about to get spent trying to get him back to health .
If he tugged my heartstrings and I decided to be his white knight then I would pay them a tenner to take on their issue .
That is not likely to be a cosmetic scar .
Much can be done to mobilise stuck scars but it needs a good physio interested in that type of work and his case a lot of sedation .
That had the scar we you chose him out of the field there are plenty of red flags but you chose him .
You ought to have got a vet before you bought him .
I would not pay for a horse like that because I know 5k is about to get spent trying to get him back to health .
If he tugged my heartstrings and I decided to be his white knight then I would pay them a tenner to take on their issue .
Lottie555
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Yes kicking is a vice, he tried to kick me in the stable. That is something you should declare and if you don’t you’re an A hole.
Lottie555
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Everything? that he was healthy which he’s not, that he was in good condition which he wasn’t, no vices which he does, his leg doesn’t both him, which it does, that he’s not spooky which he is
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Kicking is not a declarable vice. If they never tried to ride him then he probably never kicked them.
Many horses kick, but they can only kick you if you are behind them, and that's a choice you make and can avoid. I think you need to stop focusing on whether you were told he kicks and work out when and why he is trying to kick you. He sounds like a very unhappy boy.
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EmmaC78
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In answer to your original question, for a horse sold from the field with a noticeable scar I'd probably pay £600 at most.
AmyMay
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Kicking is not a vice. Scars can be sensitive. I’m not sure how he’s ’unhealthy’. Being ‘hot’ is not the same as being spooky.
As a clearly novice and inexperienced horsewoman you paid your money and took your chances on an unvetted field ornament.
Lottie555
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Each to their own, if I had a horse that kicked I would declare it in the sale bc I’m not a horrible person and wouldn’t want someone injured when they go to brush their tail. Yes he was unhappy when he came to me. But he’s got a great home now and will get the treatment ect he needs.
AmyMay
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It’s not each to their own. Kicking as you describe it is not a declarable vice.
Lottie555
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Not inexperienced at all, had horses all my life. The fact he has a positive guttural pouch test (not strangles) and came with conjunctivitis in both eyes and underweight I would say that’s unhealthy and he’s hot and spooky didn’t say they were the same. Kicking is a vice look it up. I’m not asking for anyones opinion on me. He’s got a great home now where he’s being treated and cared for. All I wanted from the old owners was honesty as I bought from a sales livery. I love him already with all his quirks only wanted opinions is all.
Lottie555
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AmyMay
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And opinions you’ve had ?
Lottie555
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I couldn’t leave him there. He was neglected and mistreated. I’m happy putting in the time and money just wanted to know peoples opinions
Lottie555
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Opinions on price not of me as stated many times
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I have, it's not a declarable vice. There is a list of vices that must legally be declared by a seller and kicking is not one of them.
Being kicked is largely optional. Don't put yourself where a horse can kick you.
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SpeedyPony
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I'd say, given how you say he was described to you at the outset, I'd maybe have spent a couple of hundred on him as a pity buy if I had lots of time on my hands, but I'd also have been prepared to accept that he might never come right. Buying unseen is a minefield and it's generally best to not spend anything it would hurt to lose.
There's an art to reading horse adverts and one (generally) has to assume that the worst interpretation is the accurate one and that no seller is entirely truthful. That isn't always malicious btw, people just don't see all their horse's faults, they're too used to dealing with them or too fond of the horse to have an objective view.
There's an art to reading horse adverts and one (generally) has to assume that the worst interpretation is the accurate one and that no seller is entirely truthful. That isn't always malicious btw, people just don't see all their horse's faults, they're too used to dealing with them or too fond of the horse to have an objective view.
Lottie555
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Thank you. Yes i understand that, unfortunately i trust people too easily which is my own fault. I love him already and glad I got him out of his situation. He needs a lot of TLC and treatment which he’s getting x
WaterySun852
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I think what YCBM is getting at is the sales livery never put the horse or themselves in a position to be kicked. He was sold "from the field" the sales livery probably never attempted to brush his tail or tack him up, so as far as the sales livery is concerned he doesn't kick.
Out of curiosity though, why would an owner send a horse to sales livery for it to be sold from the field?
Out of curiosity though, why would an owner send a horse to sales livery for it to be sold from the field?
Ellietotz
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£4k!!!
I would not have paid more than £1500 absolute max for a horse sold from the field as a project, irrespective of mud. How old is he?
I'd want him getting physio/osteo, vet checked etc and in hand work for now. I hope for your sake with that money that he ends up forming into something amazing. He looks lovely either way.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I thought you bought him unseen?
I hope you get the poor boy right, it's good that he ended up with someone who isn't just going to sell him on.
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My_old_warmblood
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He has one of those sweet faces. He looks like a needs a lot of love, but if his injury holds up he should be okay. I’d go easy on the poor fellow, and maybe not riding him for a few weeks will help him to trust you as his rider (that’s what I did!)
I wouldn’t have paid more than £1000 for him, simply because of his illnesses/ injuries (my friend paid £1800 for a young WB who had bloodlines, papers, and a good history, but had been out of work due to a lack of a rider). That being said, I paid £2500 for young, ex hunter cob who had literally just been roughly started, ruined, thrown out hunting, and then failed miserably at it. I will missold and didn’t know my rights so I didn’t fight it. However, I wouldn’t give him up for the world now. Someone told me recently that when she first met him (when I first brought him home) he was defensive and expected nothing but badness from people, but the dedication I showed through the 6 months he wasn’t ridden made him the sweetest chap!
Please, keep the poor soul until he comes right. He’ll repay you tenfold. Mine now rides best for me (a wobbly mess of a rider) than those far more skilled because I’ve never let him down. I was the first person to actually love him, and he knows it!
I wouldn’t have paid more than £1000 for him, simply because of his illnesses/ injuries (my friend paid £1800 for a young WB who had bloodlines, papers, and a good history, but had been out of work due to a lack of a rider). That being said, I paid £2500 for young, ex hunter cob who had literally just been roughly started, ruined, thrown out hunting, and then failed miserably at it. I will missold and didn’t know my rights so I didn’t fight it. However, I wouldn’t give him up for the world now. Someone told me recently that when she first met him (when I first brought him home) he was defensive and expected nothing but badness from people, but the dedication I showed through the 6 months he wasn’t ridden made him the sweetest chap!
Please, keep the poor soul until he comes right. He’ll repay you tenfold. Mine now rides best for me (a wobbly mess of a rider) than those far more skilled because I’ve never let him down. I was the first person to actually love him, and he knows it!
Lottie555
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I literally do not care about the kicking but you know if you’re horse kicks or not to declare it. As he tried kicking my farrier 3 times
I bought unseen but could tell he clearly wasn’t being best cared for to ship him off to a sales livery and left in a field. I won’t be selling him on at all. He’s my boy now and am more than happy to put all my time and energy into him and all the treatment he needs.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Well you've had an unequivocal answer on that, you paid far too much money for him. I'm not sure how knowing that helps, it would just make me feel worse.
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AmyMay
Situation normal
As I said, an inexperienced horse owner. He was worth no more than meat money.
But well done you for being committed to him.
But well done you for being committed to him.
Lottie555
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Thank you so much. I’m going to give him loads of TLC and treatment. He’s clearly been mistreated and I don’t care what it takes to get him right. People have been horrible when I was just curious about what people would’ve paid
AmyMay
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People are rarely horrible on this forum. However the straight talking can be hard for some to accept.
Lottie555
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I’m not inexperienced. I’ve paid too much that was my downfall but I’m not going to just hope he comes right in time. I’m treating him and doing what it takes to help him
Goldenstar
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Whatever you paid it was too much .
He’s not worth any money .
So you what to do right by him them get in a good vet and get the bank account ready .
I guess he will need scar mobilisation poor chap .
He’s probably got ulcers pain gives horses ulcers that will need dealing but you to find out where he’s got pain .
Good luck .
He’s not worth any money .
So you what to do right by him them get in a good vet and get the bank account ready .
I guess he will need scar mobilisation poor chap .
He’s probably got ulcers pain gives horses ulcers that will need dealing but you to find out where he’s got pain .
Good luck .